gymn Digest Sun, 10 Jul 94 Volume 2 : Issue 146
Today's Topics:
A note on trivia fact checking
Back to Back release moves
Calendar (again) for July
Enjoying *ALL* Gymnastics
Groshkova
Groshkova and other stuff (2 msgs)
Male Judges of Women Gymnastics (3 msgs)
NCAA Gymnasts (3 msgs)
Original Moves
PR Cup
Trivia Answers - #17 Original Moves (2 msgs)
Trivia Stuff (2 msgs)
USGF
USOF '94: complete women's AA results
USOF '94: men's events
USOF '94: women's AA
This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 03:09:27 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: A note on trivia fact checking
As I've gotten a bunch of mail regarding disputed facts on the last trivia
set, I wanted to put a brief note together to try to figure out a way to
handle it.
First let me say that 'the buck stops here.' In other words, if an error
makes it into a Trivia Set, it's my fault. Here's how I'd like to try to
eliminate the problem:
Basically, the problem that develops is that I solicit questions from
everyone out there, but have no ready reference (and usually not the time)
from where to fact check all the questions. Therefore, I would ask that if
you have an interesting question, but aren't sure 100% sure of the answer,
please note that after the question. I'll still try to use the question, but
maybe can find someone to confirm the answer.
If you get the Trivia Answers and disagree with one or more, please let me
know!
Thanks everyone! Hope you're enjoying the Trivia!
Mara
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Date: 9 Jul 1994 18:04:12 -0800
From: <***@qm.sri.com>
Subject: Back to Back release moves
As far as the question about back to back release moves, there was no male
versus female specification. Natalya Yurchenko performed back to back release
moves in the 1983 World Championships. (I believe the combination was
Tkachev, Deltchev....)
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 00:13:49 -0500
From: <***@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Calendar (again) for July
Sorry everyone, this being summer, I check in less often to get my mail...
And so I was really surprised to see the calendar bounced the first time I
sent it (Five days ago). Here it is again.
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The Gymn Calendar
Anyone that has any events to add to this calendar, please mail them
to me. All events on this calendar are
subject to change. -- Efton
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July 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31
1-9 Special Olympics World Summer Games/ New Haven, CT
1-10 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ St. Louis, MO
3 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
6-9 Puerto Rico Internat. Gymn. Cup (M/W)/ San Juan, Puerto Rico
9 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
10 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
14-17 Coaches Workshop/ Sunbury, OH
15-17 2nd Elite Regionals (W)/ Various Sites
16 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
22-24 National Gymnastics Festival (Elite W)/ Colorado Springs, CO
23-8/7 Goodwill Games/ St. Petersburg, Russia
26-29 U.S. Sports Acro Nationals/ Cedar City, UT
29-31 State Chairman Workshop (W)/ Indianapolis, IN
31-8/6 Coaches Workshop (M/W)/ Woodward, PA
TBA Rhythmic International Festival/ TBA
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August 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31
4-7 U.S. Classic Nationals (W)/ Palm Springs, CA
12 Gymn's Second Anniversary
18-28 Commonwealth Games/ Victoria, B.C., Canada
19-22 Commonwealth Games (Artistic Gymnastics)
25-27 Commonwealth Games (Rhythmic Gymnastics)
20 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
24-27 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ Nashville, TN
24-27 USA Gymnastics National Congress/ Nashville, TN
27 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
28 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
29-9/3 XII Olympic Congress/ Paris, France
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September 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30
10-11 Golden Sands/ Varna, Bulgaria
27-10/2 T.O.P. National Testing (W)/ TBA
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October 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31
2-16 Asian Games (M/W)/ Hiroshima, Japan
6-9 Rhythmic World Championships/ Paris, France
21-23 World Championship Team Trials/ TBA
28-30 Gymnaestrada/ Palm Springs, CA
TBA Rhythmic International Invitation (R)/ TBA
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November 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30
9-12 Olympic Congress of the USA/ Nashville, TN
15-20 World Championships (Team)/ Dortmund, Germany
TBA Chunichi Cup/ Nagoya City, Japan
TBA Catania (W)/ Catania, Italy
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December 1994
3 Team World Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
15-21 Pacific Alliance Championships/ Auckland, New Zealand
TBA DTB Cup/ Stuttgart, Germany
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March 1995
4-19 Pan American Games/ Mar Del Plata, Argentina
25 NCAA Regionals (M)/ TBA
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April 1995
7-8 NCAA National Champs (M)/ TBA
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July 1995
9-15 10th World Gymnaestrada/ Frankfurt, Germany
TBA U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ Denver, CO
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August 1995
10-13 Coca-Cola National Championships/ TBA
12 Gymn's Third Anniversary
17-20 USA Gymnastics National Congress/ New Orleans, LA
24-9/8 World University Games (M/W/R)/ Fukuoka, Japan
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October 1995
1-10 Artistic World Championships/ Sabae, Japan
4-7 Olympic Congress of the USA/ Atlanta, GA
4-8 Rhythmic World Champs/ Vienna, Austria
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July 1996
19-8/4 Games of the XVIth Olympiad/ Atlanta, GA
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August 1996
12 Gymn's Fourth Anniversary
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 23:58:05 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Enjoying *ALL* Gymnastics
To All:
Being more or less the expert on women's NCAA gymnastics on Gymn, I find
myself always defending NCCA gymnasts. It seems there is large number of fans
who refuse to acknowledge the validity of any sort of gymnastics except
national and international "elite" gymnastics.
I call such fans "elite-ists."
These fans continue to bash NCAA gymnasts, calling them inferior and
calling the very structure itself inferior, as if it's not worth having.
Amazingly, when I talk to these fans, most have not even attended a
high-level gymnastics meet.
Interestingly, I have yet to meet an NCAA fan who bashes the elite
system. I've only encountered elitists who do the bashing.
And this troubles me.
You know, from the moment I saw Mary Lou Retton score her 10.00 on floor,
gymnastics has become special to me. It's not so much the skills or the
excitement but the fact that gymnasts do things that 99 percent of the rest
of the people in the world never will do.
During the past four years, gymnastics has been a passion of mine. During
the collegiate gymnastics season, I am at a meet, sometimes two, EVERY
weekend. I've traveled to the past four national NCAA competitions, and I
write for a collegiate gymnastics publication.
Three years ago, when the World Championships were held in Indianapolis,
I went and sat through every session for two weeks straight. I had hot fudge
Sundaes one night at 1 a.m. in a McDonald's with the Moroccan team. Two days
later, when that same team placed last at worlds, I sat with one of the
members of the Moroccan men's team in the hotel as he cried his heart out to
me in a language I couldn't understand.
I have been to virtually every elite meet I could drive to -- usually the
McDonald's Cup, Mixed-Pairs, USAIGC nationals, you name it.
But every once in a while, just for the fun of it, I call the local club
gym and ask when the next Level 5 and Level 6 meet is going to be held. Then
I attend, snuggle up in the stands next to parents with camcorders and admire
where it all begins.
All of gymnastics, from the little baby waddlers in pre-school programs to
the 24-year-olds in college, brings a smile to my face.
And that's why I find it so hard to understand when some so-called fans
put down collegiate gymnastics. These fans always preface their comments with
"I'm not picking on collegiate gymnastics, but...."
Why do this? The NCAA is a chance for unknown and known gymnasts alike
to continue their careers, bringing happiness to themselves and scores of
fans. Sure, the majority of the competition is not on the international
level, but neither is a USAIGC meet or a state meet in Idaho. But is that any
reason to bash them? No.
Recently, someone on Gymn made the remark that the NCAA consists of "girls
(who) were elites or level 10's that never quite made it on the national
team." This same person went on to say "that maybe it's because they lacked
that rather phsycotic desire to obey and train that most Int'l female
athletes (have)."
Hmmm, do you think, perhaps, that most of the NCAA gymnasts never made
the national teams because there are 600-800 gymnasts in the NCAA and the
U.S. federation only allows 20 to be on the national team?
Naaaa, that couldn't be the reason.
And what about these inferior NCAA gymnasts? The past two years, a Level
10 gymnast out of Kentucky beat a combination of Olympian Hope Spivey,
Olympic alternate Kim Kelly, Olympian Sandy Woolsey and a bevy of former U.S.
national team members.
In fact, in the all-around at this year's NCAA's, the Olympians were beat
out by a host of non-national team members, including a Level 10 and Level 9.
Somebody also made the comment that the NCAA has some very cool stuff but
"lots of *very* lame stuff."
Hmmmm. And the the World Championships doesn't? USA Nationals doesn't? A
Level 9 meet in Wisconsin doesn't?
Of course they do. They all do. I wish people would stop pointing to a
lower-level NCAA gymnastics team filled with less-than-talented gymnasts and
say, "Hey, look, they're bad, so the rest of the NCAA must be bad, too!"
And, finally, come the comments from certain elitists that collegiate
gymnasts are fake, that they don't enjoy what they're doing, that their
smiles aren't genuine.
That's baloney.
You only have to go to Senior Night at a collegiate meet to see these
gymnasts shiver with emotion and cry their eyes out as they accept their
flowers and ovations from the crowd. You only have to stand in the hallway
with the gymnasts, when the crowd gets loud, to see them acting like little
kids, smiling at each other in anticipation as they get ready to march out.
You only have to see these genuine gymnasts crawl up into the stands
after a meet and sit there, sometimes for two hours, signing autographs and
talking to parents.
All you have to do is sit in on the last press conferences given by
Olympians Hope Spivey and Missy Marlowe and listen to them choke back tears
as they say the past four years have been the greatest of their lives.
The joy, the happiness, the cheers in the NCAA are genuine.
When I hear people say, "I'm not picking on the NCAA but..," I think back
to that Moroccan team that placed dead last at the 1991 World Championships.
You know, when I ate with them at the McDonald's that late September night, I
got them all to autograph a McDonald's bag for me.
I still have the bag to this day and I treasure it more than any other
gymnastics possession I have.
But I wonder. Would the same people who pick on the NCAA tell me to throw
out my McDonald's bag? Would they say, "That team is inferior!"
Sadly, I think they would.
And that's a horrible, horrible shame.
---Ronald
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 94 0:39:48 EDT
From: <***@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>
Subject: Groshkova
Didn't Tatiana Groshkova also introduce an amazing tumbling pass at the
1990 Europeans - something like a double layout with two twists in the first
somi? (I could be remembering that wrong, but she did something spectacular!)
Whatever it was, was she the first to do it?
Beth
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 94 14:06:48 EDT
From: <***@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject: Groshkova and other stuff
In response to Susan's post,
In '88 Silivas performed a full in full out as you said.There are many
ways to do the skill(1 1/2 in 1/2 out,1/2 in 1 1/2 out,etc) and in my
attempts at this skill(into a foam pit of course) found the double in
back out much harder.
Aleftina Priakhina(is the spelling right,beth?) did a double twisting
double back way back at 86 Jr. Europeans.She had AMAZING
difficulty,even by today's standards.She was the first to do-
*standing full on beam
*double twisting yurchenko(I think europeans were before Goodwill
Games.Vera Kolesnikova flashed the number for the vault at 86 Us vs
Ussr but balked and left out the twist.)
*round off full twisting back handspring mounts on bars(!) and beam
*round off full twist on full twisting tsuk off (vault-like Scherbo's
second vault in finals)--
Also,I'm not sure about the connected release moves.That's a pretty
tough one.The first time that I saw Alexi Tikonkhi was in '86.At '83
world championships a german gymnast did a reverse hect to a
geinger.Bilozerchev also did this combo(I think.Susan?) but the german
was in an earlier round so that would mean he did it first.
Has anyone out there wondered why a chen was named after chen
cuiting?Hope Spivey did it at the '88 olympics and Chen didn't have it
in her routine until '89 worlds.Kinda irrelevant to the
conversation,but still interesting.
I may be wrong so help me out if I am,
Billy
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 20:26:40 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Groshkova and other stuff
>Also,I'm not sure about the connected release moves.That's a pretty
tough one.The first time that I saw Alexi Tikonkhi was in '86.At '83
world championships a german gymnast did a reverse hect to a
geinger.Bilozerchev also did this combo(I think.Susan?) but the german was in
an earlier round so that would mean he did it first.<
I do know that Alexei offcially gets the nod from most at least. I don't know
about some "German guy" (Billy hates identifying things like tapes etc.
<grin>) but 'fer sure Bilo didn't connect in '83 (he did later on). It was 1
arm (or in Dima's case 1 arm, 1 arm, 1 arm to Geinger) to Geinger and then
later a Tkatchev. Korolev did the one arm immed. Tkatchev (you know the one
about 6 cm. in the air . . . okay Beth send me hate mail . . . can you guys
tell that Beth and Billy and I all know each other?).
>Has anyone out there wondered why a chen was named after chen
cuiting?Hope Spivey did it at the '88 olympics and Chen didn't have it
in her routine until '89 worlds.Kinda irrelevant to the
conversation,but still interesting.<
Your federation must *submit* your original move to have it named after you
in the code of points. Also rarely is one person only working on a move . . .
if nothing else many from one country are (just about all the Sov guys [well
not Bilo, Korolev, and Artemov] but they were oldies were throwing triple
backs so that one could be the first). Usually, as in the case of Deltchev's
HB move, it is "stolen" from someone in a little comp. that doesn't "count"
offically.
Susan
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 20:21:43 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Male Judges of Women Gymnastics
Hello!!!
Very interesting to hear from the Puerto Rico Cup. The
site of the 1996 World Championships. Is very interesting to me,
to hear that there were not enough judges at such competition. I
am a level 10 judge in the United States. I would have love to
judge in the Puerto Rico's Cup but because I am male I can not
judge women gymnastics outside the United States. In fact, the
United States is the only country in the world that allows males
to judge women gymnastics. The number of male judges for women
gymnastics in the United States is growing. In fact, I
personally know several elite male judges and level 10. It is
hard for me to understand why the International Gymnastics
Federation (FIG) keeps a policy that clearly discriminate for
reason of sex. Even the Puerto Rico Gymnastics Federation is
very cold to the idea of having male judges.
About two years ago, I was dating an international judge
(Brevet) from Puerto Rico. Since I am Puerto Rican and I new as
much, if not more about gymnastics than my girlfriend, she
encouraged me to get in touch with the Puerto Rican federation to
see if I could be a judge for Women gymnastics. She warned me
that it might be hard since even she had a hard time getting
adjusted to see me judging. She was right, I found so many
obstacles and road blocks that I decided that it was not worth
the trouble since I was volunteering my time and money. I could
have instead if I want, since Puerto Rico is a territory of the
United States and has to follow US constitution. This was
clearly sex discrimination since I know that I am well qualify to
do the job as it shown by my training and credentials in the US.
But as my girlfriend at the time said, even if Puerto Rico
allowed me to judge there, I would still not be able to judge at
international level because of FIG policies. FIG is an
international organization based in France that does not have to
follow US constitution. It is very hard to understand. In one
side males are very capable to coach great gymnasts but
apparently they are not capable of being unbiased and fit to
judge Women Gymnastics according to FIG policies. What do you
think? I like to hear the opinion of other in this matter.
Raul -- Go Bulldogs!!!!
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 08:39:57 -0400 (edt)
From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Male Judges of Women Gymnastics
FIG does not allow cross gender certification. Males may not receive a
brevet for womens comp and women can not receive a brevet for mens comp.
It may be unfair but as the FIG is a Swiss based group there is little
that can be done about not allowing men to judge women internationaly and
vice versa.
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 12:58:38 -0400 (edt)
From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: Male Judges of Women Gymnastics
> FIG does not allow cross gender certification. Males may not receive a
> brevet for womens comp and women can not receive a brevet for mens comp.
> It may be unfair but as the FIG is a Swiss based group there is little
> that can be done about not allowing men to judge women internationaly and
> vice versa.
>
>
To be a really excellent judge, one needs to have as complete a
background as possible in the sport. Ideally, a judge should have been a
competitor, as well as a coach and have studied the book to the point
where one knows it inside and out. There are numerous occasions where
the rules demand that you use your "gymnastics sense" to properly
evaluate something that is not specifically delineated in the code. Those
judges who were also competitors at one time, along with the other
attributes necessary will hopefully be better able to appreciate and
correctly evaluate such occurrences. While being of the same gender as
the competitors does not guarantee competitve background, being of the
opposite gender certainly negates the opportunity for such experience.
While one could equate certain skills from men's to women's gymnastics
and from women's to men's gymnastics, it should hopefully serve the
athlete more fairly if the judge can have this appreciation and
"gymnastics sense."
Ken
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 14:54:13 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: NCAA Gymnasts
To All:
Youch! When I wrote earlier that it would be fun to see gymnasts like
NCAA-great Tammy Marshall in international competition because, in part, of
the genuine enjoyment they seem to have while performing routines, Susan
wrote back:
"Sorry but huh? All the NCAA girls with their big hair and large fake smiles
(I've never seen anything that plastic except maybe Bert Reynold's hair) look
like bad stewerdess. You are more then free to like and admire anyone you
choose but c'mon happy does not equal talented."
Do I sense an anti-NCAA sentiment? I've never equated a smile on the floor
with talent. All I'm saying is that it's certainly refreshing to go to an
NCAA meet and see gymnasts laughing, joking and truly enjoying the crowd and
their routines. When you go to club meets and national & international meets,
it's usually pretty stoic. There's nothing wrong with that, per se. It's just
that I tend to enjoy routines a little bit more when the gymnast seems to be
having more fun.
And as far as Tammy Marshall goes, anybody who has seen her can tell you
she had more than just a smile. She had talent, particularly on floor. Her
first pass was a brilliant Arabian double-front and when she went
head-to-head with some of the *world's* best at World University Games, she
took second.
Not too shabby.
--- Ron
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 20:20:01 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: NCAA Gymnasts
Helo Everyone!!!
Ron writes:
> And as far as Tammy Marshall goes, anybody who has seen her
can tell you
>she had more than just a smile. She had talent, particularly on
floor. Her
>first pass was a brilliant Arabian double-front and when she
went
>head-to-head with some of the *world's* best at World University
Games, she
>took second.
> Not too shabby.
Very well said. Certainly, as in everything, you can find a
wide range of type of gymnasts in NCAA. But people tend to
overlook the increasing quality and level of gymnastics in NCAA.
Just to describe one example, two time Canadian Olympian, Lori
Strong, has flourished in collegiate gymnastics. She says that
she has never had as much fun with gymnastics as she is having in
college. Of course she had plenty of good experiences in the
international level, but at that level the pressure to do well is
very large and sometime suppresses the spontaneous expressions
and reactions. At NCAA she is more free to express herself
without fearing that international judges are going to penalize
her for being different. And that freedom shows at the NCAA
meets. Gymnasts laughs, cheer for each other screaming their
lungs out and when a gymnast performs a difficult skills well,
you can see the smiles and the cheer of joy in all the gymnasts
of the team. The crowd senses that joy and loves it. At least I
do. BTW, Lori Strong has not water down her routines. In fact,
her bar routine at NCAA Nationals in April was more difficult
than the one she performed at the Barcelona Olympic Games. Her
routine was highlighted by a pike jager ("E"), giant full and a
gorgeous double layout dismount ("E"). For next year she is
planning to have a pike jager, hop giant full ("E"), reverse
hecht and double layout dismount. Very impressive for someone
who could be consider "Madonish" for her sexy poses. But that is
her personality and she does not have to hide it anymore because
she is competing in NCAA. She is also 23 years old and she still
throwing very high level of gymnastics.
Raul -- Go Bulldogs!!!!
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 20:26:54 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: NCAA Gymnasts
>And as far as Tammy Marshall goes, anybody who has seen her can tell you she
had more than just a smile. She had talent, particularly on floor. Her first
pass was a brilliant Arabian double-front and when she went head-to-head with
some of the *world's* best at World University Games, she took second.
Not too shabby.<
Well I don't know about Worlds best . . . Beedicte Everad who has a very nice
set for a Belgian girl had never even come close to an Int'l floor final and
she won at Uni games. Stovbchatayia who has had the same routine since 1987
(though she's removed most of the choregraphy to allow more time to stand in
the corner) and who pauses in the corner long enough to read "War and Peace"
got the bronze. Stobs has *never* even been close to a FX final. World's
best? Nah, I don't think so.
My smiling point was if that is a genuine smile (Tammy Marshell and just
about any other NCAA girl) of enjoyment then I am the queen of Sheeba and
all further posts may be addressed to me as "Susan her royal highness and
master of all she surveys" ;-)
As for being relaxed; yeah the NCAA girls are far more relaxed then your
average elites but I think that comes with age (Ever seen a hotel bar at
Worlds? You can't move for the guys getting drunk . . . night before men's AA
or not). Even NCAA girls are still twice as tense as your avergae male
gymnast. Also, and this is *not* a condemation just a thought, most NCAA
girls were elites or level 10's that never quite made it on the national team
. . . maybe it's because they lacked that rather physcotic desire to obey and
train that most Int'l female athletes have and are therefore less tense to
begin with.
I don't really have anything against NCAA gymnastics but it is *not* at the
level of International gym. We do see some cool stuff . . . and lots of
*very* lame stuff. I mean if Stella comes to UCLA (and maybe Porto?) I'll
trudge up there for meets. Stella, Leah, and Louisa would be a very cool team
for the NCAA team. But to prove my point Leah, who is about the best NCAA out
there, was a very average Int'l gymnast.
Susan
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 02:10:57 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Original Moves
>Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tkatchev to one arm giants in the 1979
world championships in Fort Worth, Texas? I am almost sure I have this on
tape at home.<
You are correct sir (madem whatever)! Actually I submited this question so
I'll take all the blame. I really had read that it is was Li Ning . . . Li
Ning did a one arm giant combination in '82 which he was the first tro do
apparently (got it out of "Flick Flack" and I don't really speak German).
Tkatchev did both front (1/2 piraquette into) and back one arms in Fort
Worth. Hmm...wonder if that makes him the one that has themost moves named
after him. That's four I can think of. Anyone know who'd have more? Doesn't
Kelly Garisson have three or four for the women?
Susan
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 01:25:16 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: PR Cup
Ack -- this meet was incredibly long due to a shortage of judges. We judged
fast, but with enough judges for only 2 events at once and 25 girls
competing, it was a marathon. I saw women's UB and FX in great detail, since
I was judging, but it means I saw nothing else.
So, I'll post results and all after tomorrow's finals, but quickly, Erick
Lopez from Cuba won the men's, with Victor Colon of Puerto Rico 2nd and
another Cuban 3rd. The Kazakhs (Alexei Dimitrenko and Valery Mass--oh I
forget--ov) were in the top 6, but since they didn't win, we didn't need the
anthem tonight. :) Which was good b/c we didn't have it (a whole 'nother
story) but there's still tomorrow...
Some Romanian kid won the girls. I think it was Mirela Turgulan, but I was
socializing during the awards ceremony, so I didn't see which one won. The
other is Alexandra Dobresco, so it was one of the two. Denisse Lopez from
Mexico was second (*nice* double layout!), and an American was third.
Kazakhstan sent Evdokimova, but she was disappointing. Disastrous bars.
:)
Adriana
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 00:05:21 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Answers - #17 Original Moves
The long awaited Answers!
1. Who was the first lady to perform in competition the triple back dismount
from uneven bars? In what meet did this happen?
Alexandra Sorokina, Russia; 1992 Junior Europeans
2. Who was the first person to compete one arm giant swings? At what meet
did this happen?
Li Ning, PRC; 1982 World Cup
3. Who was the first woman to perform a double front off UB?
Sarah Mercer, GBR
4. In what meet did Natalia Yurchenko first compete her namesake vault?
1982 World Cup
5. Name the first person to compete a double twisting Yurchenko? At what
meet?
Vera Kolesnikova, URS; 1986 Goodwill Games
6. What is the (Marcia) Frederick?
A stalder right to a full pirohette on bars.
7. What move on UB is listed in the Code as a 'Fabrichnova' ?
Double-twisting double back
8. Who was the first person to connect release moves? What moves?
Alexei Tikonkikh, URS; Tkatchev and Geinger
9. What new move did Tatiana Groshkova introduce at the 1990 Europeans?
Back handspring sideways on BB
10. What two new women's BB moves were introduced by members of medal
winning teams at the 1991 World Championships?
Betty Okino - triple turn
Lavinia Milosovici - Chen mount
Hope you had fun!
Also, if you've gotten this far and feel like it, e-mail me and tell me how
often you'd like to see these Trivia Quizzes.
Mara
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 21:54:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Trivia Answers - #17 Original Moves
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Tkatchev to one arm giants in the
1979 world championships in Fort Worth, Texas? I am almost sure I have
this on tape at home. Of course, Gordon Maddux may have called this
trick a "flibidygibbit".
And by the way, I saw a Chinese girl compete a one arm giant, and then a
one arm reverse hecht on bars in November 1987 Chinese Sports Fest in
Shenzhen. But she missed her kip afterwords, and didn't make finals...go
figure.
>
> 2. Who was the first person to compete one arm giant swings? At what meet
> did this happen?
>
> Li Ning, PRC; 1982 World Cup
>
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Date: Sat, 09 Jul 94 03:16:55 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Stuff
>Who was the first lady to perform in competition the triple back dismount
from uneven bars? In what meet did this happen?
Alexandra Sorokina, Russia; 1992 Junior Europeans<
Svetlana Kozlova did this in 1989 Moscow News (Yes, I know that News isn't an
"official" comp for who dunnit purposes) and Dina Kochetkova also did it in
1991. I'm not sure if she made it in comp. but it was much talked about by
the Sovs . . . her triple and Fab's double double. They did the '91 circuit
together . . . along with Shugerva, Ivankov, &Vassielenko
As for Groshkova, she did do a double full-in in 1990 but Silivas did it back
in 1988 (it was a double full-in and not full-in full-out right? Anyway, it's
all 2 flips and 2 twists and at least in my book that's close enough).
Several men have done it (Anybody know the first was?) and I'm not even sure
if Daniela was the first girl. If Beth (who I'd a thunk knew more then I)
was refering to the Fabrichnova comment then just to make it clear it's a
double double off uneven bars. Also are we so sure that Groshie was the
first to do the slow FF layout step out/fast back walkover (whatever you feel
it is . . . "backhandspring" is a strong term) crosswise on BB . . . to her
feet that is?
Susan
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 94 12:42:23 EDT
From: <***@freenet.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject: Trivia Stuff
> As for Groshkova, she did do a double full-in in 1990 but Silivas did it back
> in 1988 (it was a double full-in and not full-in full-out right? Anyway, it's
> all 2 flips and 2 twists and at least in my book that's close enough).
> Several men have done it (Anybody know the first was?) and I'm not even sure
> if Daniela was the first girl. If Beth (who I'd a thunk knew more then I)
> was refering to the Fabrichnova comment then just to make it clear it's a
> double double off uneven bars. Also are we so sure that Groshie was the
> first to do the slow FF layout step out/fast back walkover (whatever you feel
> it is . . . "backhandspring" is a strong term) crosswise on BB . . . to her
> feet that is?
>
Silivas performed a full in full out.There are a variety of ways that
you can do a double twisting double back.I've seen 1 1/2 in 1/2
out,1/2 in 1 1/2 out,etc.It's the same skill but most people(myself
included)find a double full in a little harder.
Aleftina Priakhina(is that spelling right Beth?)did a double twisting
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Date: Sun, 10 Jul 94 14:17:47 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: USGF
Hi,
I am a certified USGF competitor in NY. I would like to know
the Qualifying scores ('94,'95) for classes 5 and 6.
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 08:59:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: USOF '94: complete women's AA results
This is, of course, via the AP wire. Note that Kristy Powell got two
9.90's! She lost the competition on beam - only a 9.20.
The event standings are only preliminary. The top six of each advance
to finals on Sunday.
Women's Gymnastics
All-Around
1, Doni Thompson (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 39.125 points
2, Kristy Powell (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 38.775
3, Jaycie Phelps (South), Greenfield, Ind., 38.675
4, Sarah Balogachh (North), Allentown, Pa., 38.625
5, Kristin Maloney (North), Pen Agryl, Pa., 38.500
6, Kara Fry (North), Nazareth, Pa., 38.400
6, Martha Grubbs (North), Bethlehem, Pa., 38.400
8, Amy Chow (East), San Jose, Calif., 38.275
9, Kellee Davis (West), Cambria Heights, N.Y., 38.250
10, Sarah Cain (North), Grand Island, Neb., 37.950
11, Katie Fitzpatrick (South), Dayton, Ohio, 37.900
12, Kristi Lichey (South), Cincinnati, 37.775
13, Kristin McDermott (North), Allentown, Pa., 37.750
14, Andree Pickens (West), Houston, 37.625
15, Denise Jones (West), Sacramento, Calif., 37.550
16, Monica Flammer (West), Houston, 37.450
17, Summer Reid (East), Sparks, Nev., 37.425
18, Samantha Muhleman (South), Dayton, Ohio, 37.375
19, Marissa Medal (West), Pompano Beach, Fla., 37.250
20, Ashley Kever (West), Austin, Texas, 37.025
21, Raegan Tomasek (South), Mystic Beach, N.Y., 36.450
22, Mary Beth Arnold (East), Sparks, Nev., 28.025
23, Tanya Maiers (East), Atlanta, 18.250
Vault
1, Kristy Powell (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.900
2, Sarah Cain (North), Grand Island, Neb., 9.875
3, Martha Grubbs (North), Bethlehem, Pa., 9.800
4, Kara Fry (North), Nazareth, Pa., 9.775
5, Doni Thompson (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.725
6, tie, Sarah Balogachh (North), Allentown, Pa.
Kellee Davis (West), Cambria Heights, N.Y., 9.675
8, tie, Kristin Maloney (North), Pen Agryl, Pa.
Amy Chow (East), San Jose, Calif.
Raegan Tomasek (South), Mystic Beach, N.Y.
and Summer Reid (East), Sparks, Nev., 9.625
12, Andree Pickens (West), Houston, 9.600
13, tie, Kristi Lichey (South), Cincinnati
Jaycie Phelps (South), Greenfield, Ind., 9.575
15, tie, Denise Jones (West), Sacramento, Calif.
Kristin McDermott (North), Allentown, Pa., 9.550
17, Marissa Medal (West), Pompano Beach, Fla., 9.500
18, Katie Fitzpatrick (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.450
19, Ashley Kever (West), Austin, Texas, 9.375
20, Mary Beth Arnold (East), Sparks, Nev., 9.350
21, Monica Flammer (West), Houston, 9.300
22, Samantha Muhleman (South), Dayton, Ohio, 8.975
Tanya Maiers (East), Atlanta, injured, did not compete
Uneven Bars
1, Doni Thompson (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.850
2, Kristy Powell (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.775
3, Andree Pickens (West), Houston, 9.750
4, tie, Katie Fitzpatrick (South), Dayton, Ohio
Sarah Balogachh (North), Allentown, Pa.
Marissa Medal (West), Pompano Beach, Fla.
and Kellee Davis (West), Cambria Heights, N.Y., 9.700
8, Kristin Maloney (North), Pen Agryl, Pa., 9.675
9, tie, Martha Grubbs (North), Bethlehem, Pa.
Jaycie Phelps (South), Greenfield, Ind., 9.650
11, tie, Denise Jones (West), Sacramento, Calif.
Kristin McDermott (North), Allentown, Pa.
and Monica Flammer (West), Houston, 9.625
14, Summer Reid (East), Sparks, Nev., 9.575
15, Kara Fry (North), Nazareth, Pa., 9.525
16, Samantha Muhleman (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.350
17, Sarah Cain (North), Grand Island, Neb., 9.150
18, tie, Tanya Maiers (East), Atlanta
Amy Chow (East), San Jose, Calif., 9.100
20, Ashley Kever (West), Austin, Texas, 9.000
21, Kristi Lichey (South), Cincinnati, 8.950
22, Raegan Tomasek (South), Mystic Beach, N.Y., 8.650
Mary Beth Arnold (East), Sparks, Nev., did not compete
Balance Beam
1, Amy Chow (East), San Jose, Calif., 9.800
2, Jaycie Phelps (South), Greenfield, Ind., 9.750
3, Sarah Balogachh (North), Allentown, Pa., 9.725
4, Doni Thompson (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.700
5, Samantha Muhleman (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.600
6, tie, Kara Fry (North), Nazareth, Pa.
Kristi Lichey (South), Cincinnati
Monica Flammer (West), Houston, 9.575
9, Kristin Maloney (North), Pen Agryl, Pa., 9.500
10, tie, Kristin McDermott (North), Allentown, Pa.
Sarah Cain (North), Grand Island, Neb., 9.450
12, Martha Grubbs (North), Bethlehem, Pa., 9.400
13, Katie Fitzpatrick (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.350
14, tie, Kellee Davis (West), Cambria Heights, N.Y.
Kristy Powell (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.200
16, Tanya Maiers (East), Atlanta, 9.150
17, tie, Denise Jones (West), Sacramento, Calif.
Ashley Kever (West), Austin, Texas, 9.050
19, tie, Summer Reid (East), Sparks, Nev.
Mary Beth Arnold (East), Sparks, Nev., 9.000
21, Raegan Tomasek (South), Mystic Beach, N.Y., 8.950
22, Andree Pickens (West), Houston, 8.900
23, Marissa Medal (West), Pompano Beach, Fla., 8.500
Floor Exercise
1, Kristy Powell (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.900
2, Doni Thompson (East), Colorado Springs, Colo., 9.850
3, Amy Chow (East), San Jose, Calif., 9.750
4, tie, Kristin Maloney (North), Pen Agryl, Pa.
Jaycie Phelps (South), Greenfield, Ind., 9.700
6, tie, Mary Beth Arnold (East), Sparks, Nev.
Kristi Lichey (South), Cincinnati
and Kellee Davis (West), Cambria Heights, N.Y., 9.675
9, Ashley Kever (West), Austin, Texas, 9.600
10, tie, Marissa Medal (West), Pompano Beach, Fla.
Martha Grubbs (North), Bethlehem, Pa., 9.550
12, tie, Kara Fry (North), Nazareth, Pa.
Sarah Balogach (North), Allentown, Pa., 9.525
14, Sarah Cain (North), Grand Island, Neb., 9.475
15, Samantha Muhleman (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.450
16, Katie Fitzpatrick (South), Dayton, Ohio, 9.400
17, Andree Pickens (West), Houston, 9.375
18, Denise Jones (West), Sacramento, Calif., 9.325
19, tie, Raegan Tomasek (South), Mystic Beach, N.Y.
Summer Reid (East), Sparks, Nev., 9.225
21, Kristin McDermott (North), Allentown, Pa., 9.125
22, Monica Flammer (West), Houston, 8.950
Tanya Maiers (East), Atlanta, did not compete
Team Standings
1, North (Sarah Balogach, Allentown, Pa.
Kristin McDermott, Allentown, Pa.
Sarah Cain, Grand Island, Neb.
Martha Grubbs, Bethlehem, Pa.
Kristin Maloney, Pen Agryl, Pa.
Kara Fry, Nazareth, Pa.), 192.400
2, East (Tanya Maiers, Atlanta
Amy Chow, San Jose, Calif.
Summer Reid, Sparks, Nev.
Doni Thompson, Colorado Springs, Colo.
Kristy Powell, Colorado Springs, Colo.
Mary Beth Arnold, Sparks, Nev.), 190.875
3, West (Andree Pickens, Houston
Kellee Davis, Cambria Heights, N.Y.
Denise Jones, Sacramento, Calif.
Ashley Kever, Austin, Texas
Monica Flammer, Houston
Marissa Medal, Pompano Beach, Fla.), 189.400
4, South, (Kristi Lichey, Cincinnati
Katie Fitzpatrick, Dayton, Ohio
Samantha Muhleman, Dayton, Ohio
Jaycie Phelps, Greenfield, Ind.
Raegan Tomasek, Mystic Beach, N.Y.), 188.175
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Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 22:23:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: USOF '94: men's events
US Olympic Festival
St Louis, MO
results from the men's event finals, via the AP wire:
Floor Exercise
1, Jay Thornton, Augusta, Ga., 9.450
2, Bill Roth, Mohegan Lake, N.Y., 9.400
3, Steve McCain, Houston, 9.350
4, Mihai Bagiu, Albuquerque, N.M., 9.100
5, Bo Haun, Springfield, Mo., 9.100
6, Spencer Slaton, Atlanta, 8.950.
Pommel Horse
1, Bagiu 9.650
2, McCain 9.250
3, Haun 9.050
4, Jeff Lutz, Fort Worth, Texas, 8.450
5, Tim Darlymple, Tracy, Calif., 7.650
6, Garry Denk (East), Iowa City, Iowa, 7.250.
Still Rings
1, Lutz 9.500
2, Denk 9.300
3, Rob Kieffer, Austin, Texas, 9.500
4, Haun 9.000
5, Roth 8.800
6, Thornton 8.700.
Vault
1, McCain 9.550
2, Roth 9.500
3, Lutz 9.400
4, Kieffer 9.300
5, Larry Johns, Tulsa, Okla.,9.200
6, John MacReady San Diego, 8.550.
Parallel Bars
1, Roth 9.300
1, McCain 9.300
1, Kieffer 9.300
4, Haun 9.150
5, Thornton Ga., 9.100
6, Lutz 8.750.
Horizontal Bar
1, Bagiu 9.350
2, McCain 9.350
3, Lutz 9.300
4, Roth 9.100
5, Haun 9.050
6, Kieffer 8.750.
McCain, re the cut of the UCLA program: "At first I was very
disappointed. But I decided it was OK ... because I can train for the
Olympics, the world championships, I can train for any meet they send
me on."
McCain medaled in every event he qualified for.
Yet More McCain: "I'm very happy with what I did. I've been
inconsistent my whole career, but I'm finally getting to the point
where even if I'm having trouble, I can pull out a good routine.
That's all I can ask for right now."
Notes on Jeff Lutz from a blurb the AP printed a couple days ago:
Lutz's sister, Tara, gave birth to a baby girl on Thursday night (AA
competition) -- since his family couldn't reach him on the floor, they
had an announcement put on the PA system to deliver the good news.
Lutz retired in 1992 but resumed training in October of 93. He flew
his parents in from Ft. Worth for this competition, telling them that
he was coaching one of the girls' teams. Needless to say, they were
probably most surprised to see him not only competing, but medalling!
Rachele
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Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 23:40:08 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: USOF '94: women's AA
US Olympic Festival
St. Louis, Missouri
Women's AA
1. Doni Thompson (CO Aerials) 39.125 (9.85 on FX and UB)
2. Kristy Powell (CO Aerials) 38.775
3. Jaycie Phelps (? Fairfield, OH) 38.675
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9. Kellee Davis (Am Twisters)
Tom Forster, CO Aerials coach: "We have a definite plan. We have 23
months to the Olympic trials. It's really been a four-year plan. We're
in the middle of it, but we don't want to divulge too much of it in
case it doesn't work."
Thompson: "It's great because it's our first Olympic Festival. Last
year we were both hurt."
Thompson, re the 96 Olympics: "I don't get butterflies, but I think
about it every day in my prayers and thoughts. It's my goal."
Thompson, re the hard part of competition: "To stay up and not get
tense, I have to talk to people or I get all tense."
Powell, on training with Thompson: "It works for both of us. It's the
same way in competition. We hope the other does well and that you do
well."
Powell and Thompson will be competing in the senior division this
August at Nationals.
Kellee Davis fell on her beam mount, thus dropping to ninth place.
Btw, USOF gymnastics will also be on TV on Sunday, 9pm EST, on Prime
S.N.
Rachele
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