gymn Digest Sat, 14 May 94 Volume 2 : Issue 124

Today's Topics:
Autobiography
Bela (6 msgs)
Belated introduction
eating disorders (3 msgs)
further risks of anorexia
Fwd: Re: Autobiography (2 msgs)
gymnastics on TV this weekend
Introduction
Kerri Strug in CT
May Calendar (2 msgs)
Mitch, Bela
Mitch Gaylord
response to a response to a response (3 msgs)
results of Gymn Poll #2
uneven bars photos/files

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 16:10:16 EST
From: ***@email.cfr.org
Subject: Autobiography

FYI-

For those who need a "Karolyi fix", Bela's autobiography is coming
out at the end of this month (May) published by Hyperion Press
(200+ pages with fotos).

The press release for the book makes it sound like a good read;
written with assistance in true Karolyi style ("loud and clear!").
It should bring up interesting discussion.


C.S.




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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 19:23:19 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Bela

*Yawn!*

>Why does everyone treat this man like he is some sort of coaching god?
>Certainly he has coached champions from two countries, but you can ask
anyone
>attached to those champions and you will find that with the possible
exceptions of Nadia and Marylou, he was but remotely responsible >for the
ascendancy of the champions he claims to have had under his >tutelage. It's
all P.R. folks. Lets wake up and look at the record.

...and some of his so-called champions were not that good.

That's precisely what makes him so interesting.

-- gimnasta

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 16:56:38 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Bela

>...and some of his so-called champions were not that good.
>That's precisely what makes him so interesting.
>-- gimnasta

Oh, I see. It's the old Churchill quote: "A mystery, wrapped in an enigma,
surrounded by a question..."

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 22:44:25 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Bela

>attached to those champions and you will find that with the possible
exceptions of Nadia and Marylou

You must mean Nadia and Kim Z the only two stars (that I know of ...except
mabye you could count Eberle and Ungereanu also but I'm not sure) he coached
from childhood to the Olympics. Marylou was with Bela barely a year when
she competed in the '84 Olympics. I am NOT a Marylou (she had a great double
layout and nothing else) fan but I always felt bad that the person who taught
her the basics got no credit for her sucesses...even Marylou goes on
insently about Bela as if he was the only coach in her life.

>Ukranian coaches who have created the Scherbo dynasty?

Make that Belarussian...or better yet Soviet since they harvested the best of
the best from all over the USSR...Lenoid Arkaev has headed the Soviet team
into victory coutless times and yet commands little respect...Rodienko,
Ostepenenko, Alexandrov, (what the hell is that guys name ...the one that
coached Yurchenko, Shaposhnikova, etc. etc....god I know this)...anyway you
get my point. They don't scream at judges and make disturbances and rude
comments...therefore they are not "stars"...everyone also tends to forget
that it is Marta - NOT Bela - that has the gymnastics background. Bela
takes glory FROM his gymnasts not glory IN his gymnasts.

Susan

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 21:00:40 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Bela

>I always felt bad that the person who taught
>her the basics got no credit for her sucesses...even Marylou goes on
>insently about Bela as if he was the only coach in her life.

Clearly they both have the same publicist. One of the things I have always
disliked about MLR is her scorchingly blatant opportunism. On the otherhand,
she can't hold a candle to Ma Yanhong in that department...I dunno. Maybe I
just can't take so much Sweet 'n' Low with my gymnastics.

I hope one day I have a chance to meet His Eminence and tell him to his face
what a fat, overblow, slob of a fraud I think he is. I just want to see how
he takes it--like a man or like a stuck pig. No guts, all glory. And a nice
little rancho in Texas to boot. *Gaag* *Aaack* *Platoey*. I spit on you,
Bela. And on your little book, too.

David

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 23:08:15 PDT
From: ***@cisco.com
Subject: Bela

I see.

Everyone else's fawningly positive reaction is stupid.

Your blatantly hostile reaction is accurate and appropriate.

Right.

Chops

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Date: Sat, 14 May 94 10:07:44 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Bela

> Marylou was with Bela barely a year when
she competed in the '84 Olympics.

I thought it was about two or three years. Julianne was the one who was
there just a few months.

>I am NOT a Marylou (she had a great double
layout and nothing else) fan

Ok, I'm not a big fan either, but I don't hate her either, so in the interest
of balance, she also had a great Tsuk full (probably the best ever), she made
up that front flip on bars, and she was expressive on floor. She could also
do a Tkatchev on her beat setting (I'm never going to get over that!!) (and
I'm not saying other people couldn't; they amaze me too).

>(what the hell is that guys name ...the one that
coached Yurchenko, Shaposhnikova, etc. etc....god I know this)

Rastorotsky (or something like that)

>How about Steve Nunno? Now THERE's a coach's coach.

Nunno's coaching ability aside, I for one am getting tired of seeing his face
selling stuff in IG.

Finally, I think David's latest post is excessively hateful. Bela has
character flaws, as we all do. But he's not Satan. And he actually does
have some talents as a coach, and working the media is one of them. PR
matters -- we all complain about how good "unknowns" don't get the scores
they deserve. The problem with Bela, as we know, is that he really overdoes
it. But I think overall Bela has had a tremendous positive impact for
gymnastics in the US, and I'm not at all sure it would be where it is today
without him.

-- gimnasta

PS -- I was wondering if anyone knows anything about his daughter Andrea. I
saw her once, but I'm curious as to what she's like.

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 16:24:20 EST
From: ***@email.cfr.org
Subject: Belated introduction

Hello all!

In my haste to send my first message, I failed to introduce myself.

I've been a fan of gymnastics for a number of years; never having
been a gymnast; content to go to competitions and in an effort to
"capture the moment" used enough rolls of film to support Kodak,
Fuji, et. al.

My last venture in sports photography was at the 1992 World Gymnastics
Championships in Indianapolis; went to all events, still paying for it.

Living and working in New York, thirty years old, and hoping to be
a gymnast or coach in another life,

I am your partner in gymn cyberspace,

C.S.

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Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:28:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: eating disorders

We are talking alot about anorexia.
We have not even touched bulemia (eating then forcing yourself to puke)
which is just as bad and does much the same damage.
Bulemia is easier to hide than anorexia because you seem to be eating right
or even heavily...

I loved the story about oregano... I'll REMEBER that one !
Judging from Mayland's address... have we a pharmacologist amongst us ?


-texx

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Date: Thu, 12 May 94 22:00:18 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: eating disorders

>We are talking alot about anorexia.
We have not even touched bulemia (eating then forcing yourself to >puke)
which is just as bad and does much the same damage.
>Bulemia is easier to hide than anorexia because you seem to be eating right
>or even heavily...

Texx makes a good point. I'd guess there are many more bulimic than anorexic
gymnasts. It's easier to do. I'm pretty sure Cathy Rigby was bulimic. I
think she'd talked about it publicly. There were rumors about Comaneci and
Boginskaya -- does anyone know if they're true?

-- gimnasta

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Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 23:30:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: eating disorders

> We are talking alot about anorexia.
> We have not even touched bulemia (eating then forcing yourself to puke)
> which is just as bad and does much the same damage.
> Bulemia is easier to hide than anorexia because you seem to be eating right
> or even heavily...

well, yes and no. Most of the people suffering from Bulemia, they try to
insert their finger into their mouth to force themselves to throw up. In
doing so, it tend to made a half-moon like mark on their hand, generaly in
the third knuckle.

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Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 14:09:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: further risks of anorexia

Clive has describes anorexia well, but I wish to add :

When the body becomes starved, sometimes it needs protien and the easiest
place to grab it is from cardiac muscle. The body eventually stars canibalizing
calcium from bones when it needs it elsewhere too.
Anorexia does more than make you tired and skinny.
My understanding is that the cardiac muscle canibalization (one of the easiest
ways for the body to grab protien) is of a particular risk because of the risk
of keeling over with heart damage or even a full blow cardiac arrest.
I saw it happen in a gym once down in TX.

If I recal we got an MD on this mail list recently.
If I recal rightly, how'd I do Doc ?

-texx

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 14:02:34 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Autobiography


*Yawn!*

Why does everyone treat this man like he is some sort of coaching god?
Certainly he has coached champions from two countries, but you can ask anyone
attached to those champions and you will find that with the possible
exceptions of Nadia and Marylou, he was but remotely responsible for the
ascendancy of the champions he claims to have had under his tutelage. It's
all P.R. folks. Lets wake up and look at the record.

This book is simply another in a long line of self-serving devices to deceive
the gymnastics world and the general public at large that there has never
been a coach like Bela and there never will be.

Why is there no excitement about the Ukranian coaches who have created the
Scherbo dynasty? Or about the Chinese coaches like Yang Ming Ming, Zhang
Jian, Gao Jian, Zhou Jiquan, or Quan Kuei, all of whom have produced at least
2 world champions EACH? How about Steve Nunno? Now THERE's a coach's coach.

There are perhaps a dozen coaches in the United States who are as strong as
Bela, and who do miracles with kids who have far lesser background.
Glorifying Bela while forgetting the rest does an injustice to the
profession. He is NOT the paragon of coaching.

David

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 22:09:23 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Autobiography

>Why is there no excitement about the Ukranian coaches who have created the
Scherbo dynasty? Or about the Chinese coaches like Yang Ming Ming, Zhang
Jian, Gao Jian, Zhou Jiquan, or Quan Kuei, all of whom have produced at least
2 world champions EACH? How about Steve Nunno? Now THERE's a coach's coach.

Well, with the exception of Steve Nunno (who, to the US media has yet to
produce an all-important Olympic Champion - like a 2-time World Champion is
chopped liver) none have PR firms at their disposal <g>.

Mara

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Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:26:03 UTC-0700
From: ***@cs.ubc.ca
Subject: gymnastics on TV this weekend

For those of you who get CBC, they are showing 2 hours of the World
Championships tomorrow (Saturday, May 14th). It's on from 1 - 3 pm Pacific
time. I'm not sure if it will be on from 4-6pm Eastern or what.
On Sunday, CBS is showing part 2 of the NCAA women's gymnastics. (I don't
know when they showed part 1.) It's on from 11am-1pm Pacific time. Once
again, it may be 2 - 4 pm Eastern or may be some other time.
Sorry about the late notice, but I only checked the TV guide this
afternoon. My apologies if someone has already posted this information,
as I'm behind on my gymn mail since I was away for a week.

Karen

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Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:28:09 -0400
From: ***@qmrelay.mail.cornell.edu
Subject: Introduction

Subject: Time:2:05 PM
OFFICE MEMO Introduction Date:5/13/94
Greetings,
My name is Patrick and I work in the Facilities Dept. of Cornell
University in Ithaca NY. I am 36 yrs. old, married and have a nine yr. old
daughter (Renee) who has been involved in gymnastics for three years.

This is Renee's first year of competition, (level 5) hence my increasing
interest in the sport. Are there any other parents of young gymnasts out
there?

Pat

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 18:50:26 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Kerri Strug in CT

I was watching the local news, and the sports guy starts, "The Olympics are x
months, years, and days away, but who's counting? Well,..." and right away I
knew this was about a gymnast or a skater. So I'm expecting some local kid
who probably doesn't have a prayer of making the Olympic team, and who comes
on the screen but Kerri Strug! Apparently she's spending the week working
out in Cheshire at Cats (cute, huh?) with Muriel Grossfeld. Muriel claims
that since they're a national team training center, they get a lot of nat'l
team kids coming to work out for a while. Has anyone ever heard of gymnasts
traveling around spending time at other gyms unless they're gym-shopping? It
sounded kind of weird to me. So they showed her vaulting and doing beam.
She looked fine.

-- gimnasta

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Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 00:28:53 -0500
From: ***@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Subject: May Calendar

I'm Sorry guy's (and ladies), I know I'm really late with this one. I've been
SOOOOOO busy with school. I had TWO final projects due, one test, and three
final exams in the past two weeks!!! But, I'M DONE for the summer!!!!

OK here it is...


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The Gymn Calendar

Anyone that has any events to add to this calendar, please mail them
to me. All events on this calendar are
subject to change. -- Efton
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EVENT LOCATION DATE DATE TO NET TIME
HELD BE AIRED (EDT)
Rhythmic International Invitational TBA 9/94 10/29/94 TBA TBA



May 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
8 9 10 11 12 13 14
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30 31

2-7 Grand Prix (M/W)/ Rome/Turin, Italy
4-14 FIG Congress/ Geneva, Switzerland
5-7 Coca-Cola Rhythmic National Championships/ Uniondale, NY
5-8 Level 10 Junior Nationals (W)/ Allentown, PA
6-8 J.O. Nationals (M)/ Augusta, GA
8 Arthur Gander Memorial (M/W)/ Chiasso, Switzerland
12-15 Level 10 Senior Nationals (W)/ Seattle, WA
12-15 European Championships (W)/ Stockholm, Sweden
13-15 20th International Rhythmic Tournament (R)/ Corbeil, France
20-22 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ Phoenix, AZ
22 Coca-Cola Rhythmic National Championships/ TELEVISED ON CBS
26-29 European Championships (RSG)/ Salonika, Greece
TBA China Cup/ TBA
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June 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8 9 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30

2-5 European Championships (M)/ Prague, Czech Republic
4 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
5-11 USAIGC Nationals/ Greensboro, NC
8-12 International Elite Cup/ Monterrey N.L., Mexico
9-12 Four Continents Championships (R)/ Seoul, Korea
10-11 Budget Rent A Car Gymnastics Invit. (M/W)/ Worcester, MA
18 Budget Rent a Car Gymnastics Invit. (M/W)/ TELEVISED ON NBC
19 Coca-Cola Rhythmic National Championships/ TELEVISED ON CBS
18-25 Coaches Workshop (M/W/R)/ Huguenot, NY
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July 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2
3 4 5 6 7 8 9
10 11 12 13 14 15 16
17 18 19 20 21 22 23
24 25 26 27 28 29 30
31

1-9 Special Olympics World Summer Games/ New Haven, CT
1-10 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ St. Louis, MO
3 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
6-9 Puerto Rico Internat. Gymn. Cup (M/W)/ San Juan, Puerto Rico
9 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
10 U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ TELEVISED ON CBS
16 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
22-24 National Gymnastics Festival (Elite W)/ Colorado Springs, CO
23-8/7 Goodwill Games/ St. Petersburg, Russia
26-29 U.S. Sports Acro Nationals/ Cedar City, UT
31-8/6 Coaches Workshop (M/W)/ Woodward, PA
TBA Rhythmic International Festival/ TBA
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August 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5 6
7 8 9 10 11 12 13
14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27
28 29 30 31

4-7 U.S. Classic Nationals (W)/ Palm Springs, CA
12 Gymn's Second Anniversary
18-28 Commonwealth Games/ Victoria, B.C., Canada
19-22 Commonwealth Games (Artistic Gymnastics)
25-27 Commonwealth Games (Rhythmic Gymnastics)
20 Hilton Challenge Triangular Meet/ TELEVISED ON ABC
24-27 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ Nashville, TN
24-27 USA Gymnastics National Congress/ Nashville, TN
27 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
28 Coca-Cola USA National Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
29-9/3 XII Olympic Congress/ Paris, France
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September 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3
4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17
18 19 20 21 22 23 24
25 26 27 28 29 30

10-11 Golden Sands/ Varna, Bulgaria
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October 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30 31

2-16 Asian Games (M/W)/ Hiroshima, Japan
7-9 Rhythmic World Championships/ Paris, France
21-21 World Championship Team Trials/ TBA
28-30 Gymnaestrada/ Palm Springs, CA
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November 1994
S M Tu W Th F S
1 2 3 4 5
6 7 8 9 10 11 12
13 14 15 16 17 18 19
20 21 22 23 24 25 26
27 28 29 30

9-12 Olympic Congress of the USA/ Nashville, TN
15-20 World Championships (Team)/ Dortmund, Germany
TBA Chunichi Cup/ Nagoya City, Japan
TBA Catania (W)/ Catania, Italy
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December 1994
3 Team World Championships/ TELEVISED ON NBC
15-21 Pacific Alliance Championships/ Auckland, New Zealand
TBA DTB Cup/ Stuttgart, Germany
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March 1995
4-19 Pan American Games/ Mar Del Plata, Argentina
25 NCAA Regionals (M)/ TBA
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April 1995
7-8 NCAA National Champs (M)/ TBA
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July 1995
9-15 10th World Gymnaestrada/ Frankfurt, Germany
TBA U.S. Olympic Festival (M/W/R)/ Denver, CO
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August 1995
10-13 Coca-Cola National Championships/ TBA
12 Gymn's Third Anniversary
17-20 USA Gymnastics National Congress/ New Orleans, LA
24-9/8 World University Games (M/W/R)/ Fukuoka, Japan
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October 1995
1-10 Artistic World Championships/ Sabae, Japan
4-7 Olympic Congress of the USA/ Atlanta, GA
4-8 Rhythmic World Champs/ Vienna, Austria
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July 1996
19-8/4 Games of the XVIth Olympiad/ Atlanta, GA
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August 1996
12 Gymn's Fourth Anniversary
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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 13:46:43 +0200
From: ***@avila.inesc.pt
Subject: May Calendar

>July 1995
>9-15 10th World Gymnaestrada/ Frankfurt, Germany
^^^^^^^^^

Hi.

10th World Gymnaestrada will be in Berlim. Not in Frankfurt.
I'll be there (if my club get that money).

Bye


--GoodFredo--

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Date: Sat, 14 May 1994 10:38:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: Mitch, Bela

First item of business - yes, gymnastics is a weird sport. I think
someone should slow down before it becomes figure skating or, worse yet,
tennis. Y'all forgot to include in that list (along w/ Mitch and Supola)
Aurelia Dobre, who posed for the Dutch edition of Playboy. I wonder if Mitch and
Vidmar (pretty stright-laced Mormon, I think) are speaking to each other.
Hmmm...
About Bela - okay people (Cara musters up her Rachele-like attitude),
since I don't know when any of the main list people will be reading all of
this, I'll caution you that:
1) All of the postings are stored in archives. Anyone has access to any
of your comments once they are posted.
2) Intelligent, constructive conversations are our aim here. We do not
want to become a belligerent opinions list. I know new gymnastics news is slow
at the moment - the USA/BLR/UKR tri-meet is in one short week, along with
Europeans just around the corner. If someone needs to vent, perhaps a separate
discussion with someone else on the list would be more appropriate. I love
juicy opinions about gymnasts - send them my way.
To outsiders on the Net, we are representing gymnastics as a sport.
Gymn is not a closed group - we are gettng more and more public. Lets help keep
the integrity of our sport intact - I think that is something we all strive
for.
3) We do not want to become what I hear the gymn group on Prodigy is
like. ;-)
What I think about Bela - he was also a coach of Eberle, Grigoras,
Ungreanu, Grivich, Mills, Szabo, Dunca, Jennie Thompson, Dominique Moceanu,
Stokes, as well as Kim Z. and Nadia during their developmental phases. While
the Soviet-Bloc countries and China have paid training and a superior system
for training their gymnasts, many gymnasts in this country must leave their
local gymns in order to get top level training, so there is more gym-switching
in this country compared to the above countries. I forgot to include Campi in
the above list as well.
Many of the top coaches in this country have gotten famous through
coaching top gymnasts that developed under different coaches. Mulvihil coached
Linda Metheny but others developed Kelsall, Talavera and McNamara (the latter
two under Mas Watanabe). I'm not sure about Leslie Pyfer ('79 Nat'l champ) or
Jayne Weinstein. Don Peters, Stormy Eaton, Kevin and Linda Brown, and Steve
Nunno (though Shannon was homegrown) have all made names for themselves with
not only their developmental programs, but their elite transfers as well.
Bela does have a large tendency to get over-competitive with 12
year-olds, but he does have a good track record and has publicized the sport a
lot. The other international coaches mentioned are all good, if not better than
Bela. The problem is that he tends to have a more outgoing approach that the
public likes a lot. He is very recognizeable. People who flip on the TV after
not having watched any gymnastics at all since '84 remember him.
One of the reasons I like Bela is that he really emphasizes team spirit
and team competitions more than other coaches. It makes the individual aspects
of the sport not so lonely. His gymnasts tend to perform with the type of
confidence he exudes. Sometimes their form isn't so good (like on split leaps
or piked full-ins). Their choreography is, in my opinion, mediocre to poor. But
for the same reason why Andre Agassi is still more famous than Courier,
Sampras, Chang and Washington, Bela is more famous than Radioenko, etc.
Next question - what makes Nunno better than Karolyi? Or anyone else?
I'm still leery of the way everyone is looking to him to put the US on top. I'd
like to see if his other kids make it when they are seniors. I hope they do.
Cara
P.S. Many apologies to anyone I bugged with my cautions. I step down off my
high horse and sit for a while.

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 22:44:42 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Mitch Gaylord

Anyone that saw the most recent Sports Illustrated will note that though they
ignored the world championships that just passed gymnastics did get a
mention...Mitch Gaylord is apparently starring in a soft core porno file
(they called it an "erotic thriller")...Goody. I saw him in one of these
before. When I was channel surfing one night I came across him in a "Cinemax
After Dark" kinda' thing...Go Mitch...yet another time when an American
gymnast has made me want to defect to Canada. Maybe he's only jealous of
Supola who was shown in the buff in the classic "Power and Grace" (last seen
in a gay bookstore in West Hollywood)...this is THE oddest sport.

Susan

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Date: Thu, 12 May 94 13:52:10 BST
From: ***@axion.bt.co.uk
Subject: response to a response to a response

>When the person goes to the hospital, has tubes
>put in their body you can rest assured that they
>are suffering from anorexia. An unhealthy diet
>still equals a diet - some sort of food is getting
>in - not necessarily what the body needs , but still
>something (even a little) is being eaten.

Yes but whats the difference between the two cases
thats what I am trying to find out here, what is
the difference between the two. Even anorexics
eat a little food so why not say they are just
suffering from a very unhealthy diet. A piece
of lettuce and a slice of cucumber a week is
still a diet.

Clive

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Date: Thu, 12 May 1994 23:22:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
Subject: response to a response to a response

> Yes but whats the difference between the two cases
> thats what I am trying to find out here, what is
> the difference between the two. Even anorexics
> eat a little food

not true, depends on what stage they are in. In later stage, they stop eating.

> so why not say they are just
> suffering from a very unhealthy diet. A piece
> of lettuce and a slice of cucumber a week is
> still a diet.

The primary difference is definition. What exactly does "having a
unhealthy diet" means? It could either mean you are eating very little,
barely enough to survive. OR, it could mean you are eating a lot of junk
food, high fat, low fiber stuff...

On the other hand, Anorexia is a well defined illness. In serious cases,
the patient does stop eating.

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Date: Fri, 13 May 94 09:59:56 BST
From: ***@axion.bt.co.uk
Subject: response to a response to a response

>not true, depends on what stage they are in. In later stage,
>they stop eating.

ITN had an interview with an anorexic woman who is
currently about three days away from dying and she eats a slice
of cucumber and a piece of lettuce every week. She made a pact
with her sister because they both wanted to be thin even though
they werent fat to begin with and they both ended up anorexic
the sister died about two months ago. You might see her
on TV in America over the weekend shes appearing on a
number of chat shows.


Clive.

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Date: Thu, 12 May 94 10:38:08 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: results of Gymn Poll #2

Gymn Poll #2
Distributed 2 May 1994, to 170 people
A total of 30 surveys were returned. (17.6%)

Gymn members were asked to rank the following choices:
1. I think Gymn should remain a mailing list.
2. I think Gymn should change to rec.sport.gymnastics.
3. I think Gymn should remain a mailing list but that we should also
try to start r.s.g.

RAW NUMBER OF RESPONSES (PERCENTAGE)
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Choice: mailing list r.s.g both | total
Rank: |
1 20 (67%) 5 (17%) 5 (17%) | 100%
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2 2 (7%) 2 (7%) 10 (33%) | 47%
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3 2 (7%) 11 (37%) 1 (3%) | 47%
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As you can see, Gymn members want to keep the mailing list. The
nature of the votes for choice #3 (both) was: "I don't mind having a
newsgroup, but whatever you do, keep Gymn as it is." Six of the twenty
who voted for mailing list only noted that they can't access newsgroups.

Since 83% of responses favored the mailing list format, we will stay
with this format.

If anyone wants to, they can try to start r.s.g; however, it
seems to be quite difficult. To start r.s.g, we'd need 100 _more_ "yes"
votes than "no" votes. Considering that only 30 people replied to our
survey altogether, meeting this requirement seems highly unlikely.

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Anyone on Gymn can of course conduct polls of their own; the
"official" polls will usually happen about once a month, as that seems
to be the time frame most people want.

Do you have any suggestions for the next Gymn poll? I want to get off
the topic of Gymn and onto the topic of gymnastics. I'd like to ask a
series (about five) of short questions, stuff like: "What is your
favorite apparatus?"; "As a fan, do you think the high scoring in the
NCAA helps or hurts the sport?"; "Do you think the Olympic age should
be raised to 16?" and so forth.

If you have any good questions, please send them to me. The next poll
won't come out till sometime in June, so you have plenty of time to
think it over.

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Other administravia:

Since I am traveling so much now, my primary account is
rharless@aol.com. Mail to my Rice address still works, but I won't
get to it for quite some time.

I have the following volunteers to help with the FAQ: Susan and Debbie
for writing; Helena and Clive for proofreading. Did I forget anyone?
Seems like someone else wrote me...

Rachele

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Date: Fri, 13 May 1994 15:53:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@ocvaxa.cc.oberlin.edu
Subject: uneven bars photos/files

Does anyone have or know of GIF-filed action photos of anyone on uneven
bars? I especially would like shots of typical release moves, like Tkachevs,
Geingers, Jaegers, and would love something of Kim and/or Mo doing their named
moves.
For my final project I'm designing a MacroMedia Director program that
takes a viewer through an overview of uneven bars, touching on some of the
history, equipment, basic moves and release moves one is likely to see when
watching gymnastics on TV. Since most release moves on bars have historical
names instead of descriptive names, I thought this would be a nice project to
do. I'm going to use step-by-step sequences and then an animated sequence for
the release moves. Wish me luck!
Cara

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