gymn
Digest
Sat, 4 Jun 94 Volume 2 :
Issue 133
Today's Topics:
<deep sigh>
C'mon Guys! I need
Trivia
Comaneci, Romania, and 100 grand
falling on bar (9 msgs)
forcing kids (2 msgs)
Gogean
Gymnastics in commercials
Hilton Challenge-TV Schedule Change???
ibuprofen (3 msgs)
injuries/pharmacology
mass vs. weight (2 msgs)
Men's Europeans results
Men's Euros
Minimum Weight Limits (2 msgs)
Mitch
Again
Trivia Answers #15
USA v Romania
This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu
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Date:
Fri, 03 Jun 94 15:57:35 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: <deep
sigh>
Everyone:
To my *deep* dismay, I'm going to have to
unsubscribe from Gymn for the
summer
or until I find a cheap way to stay on from Puerto Rico. As it turns
out,
the phone company's surcharge for connecting to AOL from here is
$0.20/minute. I use 300-360 minutes/month, so between
AOL's regular charges
and the surcharge, I'm
looking at $70-$85/month. Ack! Even if
traffic is
slower over the summer and I stop
giving you all my opinion on *everything*
:) it'll
still be more than I can/ought to spend.
I'm keeping AOL, though,
for private
e-mail, so you can still find me here.
I just need to reduce the
volume
drastically. If anything
interesting happens here, like the PR Cup,
I'll post about it (I assume
that's ok even if I'm not subscribed?).
So stay in touch (just not
*too* much ;-)), and I'll be back in the fall (or
maybe
sooner if something pans out).
:-)
:-(
Adriana
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 94 23:13:51 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: C'mon Guys! I need Trivia
Trivia Questions
still needed!
Topic: US
Dual Meets (including tri and quad meets)
Mara
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 94 16:56:51 EST
From: ***@email.cfr.org
Subject: Comaneci,
Romania, and 100 grand
Since it seems quiet out there, a
question-
Does anyone have any thoughts about N. Comaneci pledging
$100,000 to the
Romanian Gymnastics Federation? I read it in several newspapers.
Seems
odd to me, given her unpleasant history with them (and the same
people may be in charge).
Connie
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:34:17 +0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject: falling
on bar
Mayland's post about Bill Roth
falling on highbar on his back (ouch!)
was a perfect lead in for something I wanted to post about
injuries.
I remember Andreas Wecker did something
similar during the practice
session of the '93
American Cup (they televised this.
He screwed up on
a Kovaks,
I believe.) He went on to compete
and gritted his teeth a lot.
Well, let me tell you, not only does such
an injury hurt like the dickens,
it can take
*forever* and a day to heal! I fell
on the bar almost three
weeks ago (didn't make it
around on a giant and let my arms buckle.
Banged my thigh on the bar.)
Not even a bad fall. No real
height. Took
some
of the force on my arms before my leg hit.
Three weeks later, after
regular icing,
slow stretching, etc, I can *almost* bend it past the
90
degree point.
Since I'm just a weekend
gymnast it's no big deal. I can
take it easy
until it gets better enough to work
out without pain. (Or go into
the gym and bug Dave while *he's* trying to work out.) But you got to
hand
it to those gymnasts who are working out 6 hours a day and training
through those injuries.
A turned ankle here or there, banged up shins,
rips,
deep bruises.
-George
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 94 14:04:50 PDT
From: ***@cisco.com
Subject: falling on
bar
Well, let
me tell you, not only does such an injury hurt like the dickens,
it
can take *forever* and a day to heal!
I fell on the bar almost three
weeks
ago. ... Three weeks later, after
regular icing, slow stretching,
etc, I can *almost* bend it past the 90 degree
point.
Well, George, part of that is because you are OLD. heh
heh. Part
of that
is because you aren't treating it quite right. "Regular" icing generally
ends after the first day or two...
For a moderately
serious injury (say, a badly sprained ankle) on a
collegiate
gymnast who "must compete" and has "trainers" at their
disposal,
treatment goes something like this:
First
24 hours or so:
Ice: 10 to 20 minutes, on and off (eg
20 minutes on, 20 minutes off)
Asprin: 2 every
4-6 hours (for a total of 8 a day.)
For the next week or so:
Walk
on it.
Hot & Cold: 5 minutes in ice water, 5 minutes in a hot
whirlpool, for
30-60
minutes. (This hurts like !@^#)
Asprin: continue 8
a day.
Heavy tape job before practices and meets. (actually, the tainers will say
"don't
work out for a while", and then sigh and tape your ankle when you
insist.)
After that:
Whirlpool, excercises (eg while in whirlpool
- A girl on our team with more
experience than me
suggests tracing the alphabet with your toes)
Ultrasound treatments.
Asprin.
Tape before workouts.
This continues "until healed", which is to say, until
the season is over and
you stop working out. A lot of the point of all the above is
to increase
circulation through the injury. In theory, this removes waste (eg clotted
blood) more
quickly, as well as providing more nutrients for supporting new
growth, and promoting healing.
This does mean that
the average collegiate gymnast takes 8 asprin a
day
and gets something taped before every
workout.
This treatment regime is from 1980, and things may have been
changed.
WARNING: for one thing, I believe it is now recomended
that those under 18
NOT be given asprin, because
of the possibility of reyes syndrome, or some
such.
Chops (who may look like a short, blond,
Weird Al, but that's because he
needs a haircut.
And Texx looks like he's much more likely to
be
able to do those cartwheels down the hall
without requiring any
of the above treatments...)
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 16:45:45 -0600 (EST)
From: ***@indiana.edu
Subject:
falling on bar
another good treatment for
injuries along with the hot and cold is
ibuprofen
(sp?)
When my daughter broke her toe, sprained her ankle,
and all her other interesting injuries occured,
the people at the
sports medicine clinic told her
to take 4 advil a day. Plus the hot
and
cold biz.
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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94
15:12:22 PDT
From: ***@cisco.com
Subject: falling on bar
Ibuprofen
Ahh. A good example.
In 1980, ibuprofen was only available by perscription,
and the only people on the team who took it were, ah,
children of doctors...
Nowdays, I'd expect
it to large replace the use of asprin. 4 per day for
a
young girl is a similar dosage to 8 asprin/day for
college males...
Chops
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 19:20:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@gateway.us.sidwell.edu
Subject:
falling on bar
> another good treatment
for injuries along with the hot and cold is
> ibuprofen
(sp?)
When my daughter broke her toe, sprained her ankle,
> and all her other interesting injuries occured,
the people at the
> sports medicine clinic
told her to take 4 advil a day. Plus the hot
> and
cold biz.
Ibuprofen is very similar to aspirin but is supposed to be
safer and less
likely to upset your stomach.
One
other word about ibuprofen/aspirin/painkillers in general...I've been
told that you never should take painkillers during practice
or during a
meet or soon before, because it will
kill all pain, even the pain that
should be
telling you "Whoa, you're going a little too far with this!" or
"Wait,
something else is hurting here!" Kids on my team often get
headaches and the like during practice and my coach always
says "Don't
take aspirin or anything,"
because someone could take aspirin to kill a
headache
and get up and twist her ankle, but not notice because the
aspirin is killing the pain. So you have to be careful. Of course, this
goes
for all sports, not just gymnastics.
Lisa
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 17:01:28 +0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject: falling
on bar
Thanks, guys, for the training tips.
Re:
Aspirin/Ibuprofen
Is this more for helping the gymnast to workout without
pain, or does it
actually help the healing
process? I heard that it does some
of the
latter, but I couldn't say for certain
where I heard this.
Just wondering, since it looks like so many
gymnasts (and athletes in
general) tend to use
this.
-George
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 94 20:42:47 EDT
From: ***@aluxpo.att.com
Subject: falling on
bar
Ibuprofen does more than just relieve the pain - otherwise you
could
take Tylenol. We've also been told that
taking two in the morning
is the best time to get
it going - then two more before work-out. When
things
are really bad, Sara will take up to 6 a day.
A couple of other things
for any holistic type folks out there...
Arnica is good for bruises and
muscle soreness. And Chondroitin Complex
is an
anti-inflamatory, anti-oxidant which is supposedly
gaining favor in
some people's treatment. There's also
ultra-sonic and electronic types
of
treatments (the TENZ machine is a good one!)
Of course, resting the
injury is the best medicine of all. And unfortunately
there
is no real end of season for young gymnasts - this causes many
conflicts.
Toby
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 94 18:00:24 PDT
From: ***@geoworks.com
Subject: falling on
bar
In
larger than the normal doses (somewhere around 800mg I believe)
Ibuprofen
is an anti-inflamitory (is that the medical term?),
so it helps
with swelling. As usual, this doesn't mean you should
go out and guzzle
Advil next time you sprain an ankle, always consult your
doctor before
taking any advice you hear over
email.
Dave
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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 94
23:57:32 PDT
From: ***@cisco.com
Subject: falling on bar
One other word about
ibuprofen/aspirin/painkillers in general...I've
been
told that you never should take painkillers during practice or
during
a meet or soon before, because it will kill all pain, even the
pain
that should be telling you "Whoa, you're going a little too far
with
this!" or "Wait, something else is hurting here!"
Well,
personally, I've never found asprin, tylenol, or ibuprofen to be
such effective painkillers that this would really be a
problem, though
such advice would certainly apply
local anesthetics commonly used in
professional
sports (or on olympic ice skaters if they happen to
have
sliced open their shin recently.) Also, they are not strictly
painkillers, and actually do aid in the healing
process.
Furthermore, this can go the other way as well. In favoring a good
ankle just because the other one hurts too much, you can
open yourself
up for additional and possibly more
serious injury.
Kids on my team often get headaches and the like during practice
and
my coach always says "Don't take aspirin or
anything," because someone
could
take aspirin to kill a headache and get up and twist her ankle,
but
not notice because the aspirin is killing the pain.
There are a couple
of things that come into play when we are talking
about
"kids".
1) One hopes "Kids" are still getting at
least yearly checkups, have a
local physician that can be referred to for
coach-contradicting
advice, and so on.
Not to mention the parents.
Such "luxuries"
tend to
fade away about the time you move off to college...
2) Coaches in
general have to be very careful about appearing to give
medical
advice. With kids and todays
"just say no" campaigns, that
applies
in spades when we're talking about recomending
"medication."
3) Only parents get to give drugs to their
children. Wouldn't want
the gym
to be where they get to take drugs behind their parents
backs,
would we?
Chops
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Date:
Thu, 2 Jun 1994 12:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject:
forcing kids
ABC Nightline was interesting last night as they
discussed pushing kids too fast
in tennis. The whole Jennifer Capriotti
thing was dragged out.
Fortunately we dont
make enought in gymn for
parents to live off their kids
winnings.
Toby's
description of the coaches attitude bothered me.
My
friend Leo worked his way up to #1 in powerlifting in his weightclass
in the statewides a few years
back. Suddenly he became diabetic
and landed
in the hospital. Do you think ANYONE from the gym came to
see him ?
NO !
Over
the next year he managed to defy the doctors and managed to wean himself
off of insulin and control it by diet. He returned to the gym and the general
reaction was not "Welcome back" but
rather "What the hell are you doing here?"
I was disgusted by the
way they treated Leo and by the way no one wanted to help
him "Get back in the swing" again.
Toby's
daughters coaches reminded me of the same
attitude.
I dont know if it would turn the cioaches against her daughter worse if Toby
were to make it clear to them that they were not to EVER
treat her kid that way
again. I dont know if
it would be better for her daughter to tell the coaches
"Hey! This is MY body, and I want it FIXED
before you guys break it again!"
Coaches are funny. Some resent people disagreeing with
them.
I suppose last resort, most cars still have a "Coach
adjustment tool" in the
trunk. Its also called
a tire iron...
-texx
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Date:
Thu, 2 Jun 94 21:56:45 EDT
From: ***@aluxpo.att.com
Subject: forcing
kids
I didn't mean to make it sound quite as bad as Texx is taking it. And I
hope
other people don't take my comments in the wrong way either, although
I
will admit that at times, life at/around a gym is frustrating. And Sara's
past year has been very frustrating for both her and her
coaches. (I do
know that if anyone ever ended up
in the hospital, loads of gym people would
be
there in support!)
I made it a point to watch Nightline last night -
sounded like discussions
we've had over the last
two years, especially back at the Olympics. I found
it
interesting that the tennis association is also thinking about raising
the age to go pro to 16 from 14. (BTW, in gymnastics come
1997, is it 16
as of Jan. 1 or by Dec. 31 ?)
Toby
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 1994 00:18:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@delphi.com
Subject: Gogean
All this talk about Gogean's
personality (or lack there of) has been very
interesting. I remember watching her perform for the
first time at the
1990 Goodwill Games. She nailed most of her routines (I
really like her
floor ex) and even at a young age
she showed no signs of excitement or
enjoyment of
the sport. If there is a problem,
it has been going on for
a long time.
Tasha
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Date:
Fri, 3 Jun 94 19:45:29 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Gymnastics in
commercials
Last night, we saw two different commercials featuring
gymnastics
done by stunt doubles. One was a commercial for a shampoo
(Suave?)
showing a woman doing balance beam, the
other a commercial for
Rold Gold Pretzels
featuring a high bar (a Kovacs, I think; I
wasn't
paying too much attention at first, since it was an ad).
Anyone have any
idea who might be doing the stunting?
>>Kathy
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Date:
Wed, 01 Jun 94 16:29:01 EST
From: ***@email.cfr.org
Subject: Hilton
Challenge-TV Schedule Change???
This week's TV Guide lists the Hilton
(both Men and Women) as being part of
this
Saturday's Wide World of Sports telecast at 4:30pm Eastern.
I am under the impression that
this is a change from the original scheduled
broadcast
date of June 25th.
>Mara-
I've seen promos on T.V. recently showing
this to be true. Originally I
read a Phoenix
newspaper mentioning a broadcast date of July and August.
Oh well, we have to keep on our toes when
it comes to any gymnastics
on T.V. (whatever minutes given....;-( )
Connie
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Date:
Thu, 2 Jun 1994 00:43:29 -0400 (edt)
From: ***@dorsai.dorsai.org
Subject:
ibuprofen
Ibuprofen is not a harmless analgesic as might be implied by
some of the
posts which indicated some gymnasts
might be taking this medicine on a
regular basis,almost as a preventive.
Ibuprofen will
reduce the prostaglandins in the joints and elsewhere,
thereby
reducing the swelling and associated pain.
However,
prostaglandins are part of the
necessary protective coating of the
stomach,
etc. By continually taking
Ibuprofen on a regular basis, an
individual could
create a drug induced ulcer, by wearing away the
protective
coating in the stomach. This could
even be potentially
lethal, by causing internal
bleeding.
It's late (my time) and this is not meant as a complete
medical
explanation, but a warning: please treat
all medications with care -
misuse of any drug
can get you quite sick.
Ken
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Date:
Thu, 2 Jun 94 09:37:39 EDT
From: ***@aluxpo.att.com
Subject:
ibuprofen
Just want to clarify - by my saying Sara took 2 Advil
(ibuprofen) in the
morning and then 2 before practice,
it was not a preventative measure.
It was meant to reduce swelling and ease
the pain of working out with
4 stress fractures.
Although the real prescription from the orthopedic
doctor
was 4-6 weeks rest, this was impossible because she was preparing
for nationals. This isn't something she does on a daily
basis just for so.
We were also told by her pediatrician
that any negative effects of ibuprofen
were
reversible - like stop taking it and the stomach problem would go
away, unlike aspirin.
Someone once talked about how
much influence a parent has on the career
of a
gymnast. I'd have to say that it's almost none...but the gymnast
does have a say. Sara and her coach were counting down the
days till
nationals hoping she'd get through it.
She was looking forward to having
the time
afterward to heal. Many people think that stress fractures are no
big deal - just something a gymnast has to get used to. I
would
suspect that ones on her legs feel like
major shin splints (they're on
her fibulas though,
not on her shins) - and I can't imagine how she can
deal
with the one on the arch of the foot (the one she jumps, turns and
lands on). Well, to make a long story shorter - she goes to
her first
practice after nationals - and she's
told she's going to elite zones in
June - which means she's got to get back
all the difficulty she's left
out of her routines
for the past 6 weeks plus learn new tricks. After
a
week of misery, she told them flat out she didn't want to go to zones
until she had time to heal and could work out properly. She
can't
understand why they'd push her when she's
got so many years still ahead
of her. In any case, she's been
"resting" for two weeks now (that means
she
does bars over the pit, a little beam, and a little tumble track)...
she's extremely happy although it ticks her off that some of
the coaches
won't give her the time of day - they
think she's being a baby. We'll
see what happens
when we see the orth. dr. again in another week.
On another note, the
sports therapists associated with the orth. dr. have
this
machine where they attach electrodes on both ends of your body
to measure body fat and muscle mass. Much better than skin
fold
tests, but I'm not sure how reliable the
results are, compared to the water
test.
Toby
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:10:41 EDT
From: ***@MIT.EDU
Subject: ibuprofen
>Many
people think that stress fractures are no
>big
deal - just something a gymnast has to get used to. I w>ould
>suspect that ones on her legs feel like major shin splints
(they're on
>her fibulas though, not on her
shins) - and I can't imagine how she can
>deal
with the one on the arch of the foot (the one she jumps, turns and
>lands on). Well, to make a long story shorter - she goes to
her first
>practice after nationals - and she's
told she's going to elite zones in
>June - which means she's got to get
back all the difficulty she's left
>out of her
routines for the past 6 weeks plus learn new tricks. After
>a week of misery, she told them flat out she didn't want to
go to zones
>until she had time to heal and
could work out properly. She can't
>understand
why they'd push her when she's got so many years still ahead
>of her.
I
think that it is coaching behavior like this -- pushing her to train
hard instead of taking the time she needs to recover from
her injuries --
that gives "women's"
gymnastics a bad name. No one
should be forcing
or even encouraging a girl whose
body needs the rest to train!
--Robyn
Gymnastics should be
Fun!
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Date: Wed, 1 Jun 1994
20:02:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject:
injuries/pharmacology
I cant agree with Lisa's
advice about not masking pain when working out.
Not heeding this advice can
have DISASTEROUS results.
Ever hear about those kids who are born with
abnormally high pain thresholds
and the incredible
damage they do to themselves because they dont know
when
to stop ?
After about 3 days, ice
usually loses its effectivness.
Ice is used to
drop the swelling.
It also helps to clot the blood that has escaped from
the broken vessels.
(You wondered what a bruise was anyway, didnt you?)
Aspirin, tylenol, ibuprofen et al all cause dilation of the
vessels.
Caffeine is a natural analgesic, which it why they put it in
aspirin.
Decaf aspirin sounds like a joke to me....
The Reyes
syndrome risk is from high fever mixed with aspirin in suseptible
teenagers. Usually a year or two after puberty is complete, the risk starts
fading
quickly. Not all kids are at risk,
but you cant be too careful when it
comes to
family.
Tylenol comes with its own risks that escape my at present.
Ibuprofen is kinda wierd stuff. Like Chops says, its only real recently
you
could get it in "non-scrip"
form. So all you kids out there,
thank those
idiots at the FDA for doing something
right.
Since I got the wrong plumbing, I dont
read "Mydol" boxes too much.
Would one
of the nice ladies from the list post the contents of this product
to the list? I
know a few people who have had good results with it as a
pain
reliever for minor injuries. I
presume there is som sort of
anti-inflamatory in it.
Anyway, all these compounds
dilate your circulation to help heal
(someone else
was quite right about the waste flushing, healing/nutrition etc)
I
recall ibuprofen over the counter grade being near 700mg.
I was kinda messing around with the
stuff toward the end of the weekend,
when my codene prescription ran out and I was chugging advils and ethanol
in obscene
amounts....
(Loong story why but im back on codeine and life is beautiful again)
Backflips,
y'all
-texx
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 11:17:35 +0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject: mass vs.
weight
Someone
will
be
heavier if they are weighed in a valley (closer to the center of the
earth than if
they are weighed in the mountains.
It is a slight
difference, but a few ounces (anyone who knows wrestlers
will agree) can
make the difference in competition.
Actually, this
would only be true when using a bathroom scale or similar
device. A
doctor's scale would register the same in both situations, since
such a scale really measures mass, but is calibrated in
units of weight
(some read out in both weight -
pounds and mass - kilograms.) A
doctor's
scale really measures mass since it
compares the mass of a person
being measured with
a standard, as opposed to using a spring, which
applies
a force independent of how close it is to the earth's surface.
(I've
used my one allowable nongym-related token per year
on this post.
How did I do? ;^)
-George
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Date:
Wed, 1 Jun 1994 20:14:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject:
mass vs. weight
George got concerned we were gonna
"stone" him for posting on non gymn
topics.
I would like to suggest that the
differences in weighing machinery may well
be within the scope of this list, although likely the very
edge.
Seriously, I always wondered about the topic.
Thanks
for posting, dude !
Now go bug Dave at practice !
-texx
PS:
Rachele asked about the water tank method.
They
dunk you in a full tank and then weight the amount of water you displace
to determine your mass.
The reason a boat floats is that it weighs less than
the water IT displaces.
This is why daffy folk like my sister build concrete
canoes and race them every February for "Engineers
Week".
The *&^%$#@ things actually float !
Weight
vs mass is a wierd question
that confuses all but physics majors...
Weight is the effect of mass
against a resistance (the spring in your scale)
You dont
have weight in space without gravity.
You ALWAYS have mass
(well almost always... there are a few places where you can
actually lose mass or even end up with negative
mass, but take this topic to
somewhere like alt.physics where it belongs !)
Simple, huh ?
("Eeeeww ! Black star go
down da' hole... Eeeewww!")
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 94 18:44:25 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Men's Europeans
results
Results from the Thursday at the Men's European gymnastics
championships in
Prague, Czech Republic, at the Sportovni
Hala, as reported by the AP.
Team
1. Belarus, 170.286 points.
2. Russia, 169.848.
3. Germany, 168.911.
4. Ukraine, 169.911. (these scores
are a bit fishy -- I don't know
what's up.
I tend to believe the rank is
right and the scores have a typo somewhere.)
5. Bulgaria, 168.911.
6. Hungary, 166.824.
7. Romania, 166.037.
8. Italy, 165.875.
9. France, 165.700.
10. Czech Republic, 163.762.
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Date:
Thu, 02 Jun 94 19:30:18 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Men's Euros
If
any happens to know who is on the men's teams...particularly the fomer Sov
republics
and Germany. Please *PLEASE* post
or e-mail me ASAP.
Thanks Ever So!
Susan
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Date:
Thu, 2 Jun 1994 08:13:46 +1000
From: ***@pharm.med.upenn.edu
Subject:
Minimum Weight Limits
>>Body fat is easily measured, and a lot
of gymnasts do have that done.
>
>Measured or estimated? A lot of people have their body fat
estimated by
>having fat caliper measurements
taken of various parts of their bodies.
>But my understanding was that
having your body fat actually measured involved
>total
immersion in water. I'm not sure
how that works.
>
>--Robyn
Estimated is faily accurate (less than a percent off) Measured does
involve
total immersion, and it is done at most
universities for athletes. The
procedure involves having a very large tank of water, and the
mass and
weight being measured of the person, they
are then submerged and the
displacement of the
water is calculated. Remember your
mass never changes,
but your weight always
changes. So a person who weighs 100
pounds on land
may only weigh 1.2 in water. The more mass you have (i.e. muscle,
bones
and not fat) the more water you displace -
or the more likely you are to
sink.
It would probably be a good
idea for everyone to get measured at least once
every
4-5 years, but an estimation 2-3 times/year would be very good for a
gymnast - especially women. For the female body to function as a
woman she
should stay around 10% once you go under
the chances of sterility are high.
Men should stay around 3% when competing
- otherwise the muscles can
starve.
That is the extent of my
knowledge on this topic, anyone else have
experience
with it and it would be interesting to hear.
Mayland
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Date: Thu, 02 Jun 94 11:05:37
EDT
From: ***@MIT.EDU
Subject: Minimum Weight Limits
> For
the female body to function as a woman she
>should
stay around 10% once you go under the chances of sterility are high.
Sterility
is a harsh word here. A woman
without enough body fat to support
a baby will
stop ovulating and mentruating (or not start) but
this is (in my
understanding) temporary, and
menstruation and fertility return when the body
gains
more fat.
We are getting a bit off topic here, though!
--Robyn
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Date:
Fri, 03 Jun 94 19:18:14 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Mitch Again
Hey
Gaylord is gonna' be on "Entertainment
Tonight" this evening (Friday) to
talk about
his new soft porn movie. One small
step backward for Mitch one
giant step backward
for the rep. of American gymnastics.
Susan
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Date:
Wed, 01 Jun 94 20:12:25 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Trivia
Answers #15
>3. Name
the most successful (in terms of # of overall medals) >male gymnast
>at the 1984 Olympics.
>Li Ning,
5(?) medals (David please verify)
Mara, this is mostly accurate. Li Ning as an individual won 3 golds,
a
silver, and a bronze. In addition, he took home a silver for the Chinese Mens
team. In total, therefore, he was wearing six medals during
the closing
ceremonies.
And thank you so
much for asking.
BTW, GYMNers, I was just
telling Li Ning about our online parlay here, and
he
said to say hi to everyone. :-) (BTW, he carries a Mac PB180 just
about
everywhere he goes. No email address yet,
but we are working on that by
getting a domain of
our own.)
David
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Date:
Fri, 03 Jun 94 00:04:12 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: USA v
Romania
Hi everyone -
I heard on the radio today that Kim Zmeskal will be doing a
special
performance at the meet. I also saw the
same ad in the newspaper, so I
presume it's
true.
Since it is only a week after she's begun her "intense
conditioning" I don't
expect much at all, but
it should still be interesting.
Later,
Lee :)Hi KHi
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