GYMN-L Digest - 2 Apr 1995 to 3 Apr 1995

There are 23 messages totalling 527 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Dolgopolova and I will send you a jpeg for a million $$$
2. 90-second warning (4)
3. Floor mats
4. floor mats (3)
5. Olympic Tickets (2)
6. Bad Press
7. Where are they? (3)
8. Stupid Announcer Tricks
9. Russian Championships
10. where they are...
11. Mtn Pacific stuff
12. INTRODUCTION
13. Peachtree Classic
14. commentating
15. Peachtree

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 21:28:28 -0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject: Dolgopolova and I will send you a jpeg for a million $$$

Where has she competed before? Help me remember I know the name.
Besides the American Cup of course. It is driving me crazy. Was she at
Junior Euros 93? Jus kidding really the jpeg is free. I will send you an
abstract jpeg (uuencoded) of her if you would like it. Tell me if you
have pine and I will send it attached. If you don't have it I will send
it in the body of the message.

Amanda

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 01:24:30 -0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: 90-second warning

Little technical thing:

I've forgotten when the warning bell to get off the beam sounds: Five
seconds?

Simon

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Date: Sun, 2 Apr 1995 22:41:09 -0700
From: ***@ASU.EDU
Subject: Re: 90-second warning

> Little technical thing:
>
> I've forgotten when the warning bell to get off the beam sounds: Five
> seconds?
>
> Simon
>

Ten seconds. Like the idea of your subject line: "Just get off pretty
soon."

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 08:28:01 -0400
From: ***@A1.CSOC.UMC.DUPONT.COM
Subject: Re: Floor mats

[lots of stuff about mat hardships deleted]

Well, in my high school, the floor ex mat was sloped severely, so
we had to tumble uphill. Both ways!! :)

-Jim

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 09:40:05 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU>
Subject: Re: 90-second warnin

>
> > Little technical thing:
> >
> > I've forgotten when the warning bell to get off the beam sounds: Five
> > seconds?
> >
> > Simon
> >
>
> Ten seconds. Like the idea of your subject line: "Just get off pretty
> soon."
>

Just for the sake of trivia, it used to be five seconds before this
Code. The change was a good move IMO.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 11:49:12 -0500
From: ***@HOBBS.LEESUMMIT.K12.MO.US
Subject: floor mats

I just had to get in on this! Not only did we do vault on the board with
NO springs (called a beat board), we also vaulted WITH the pommels, and
then landed on the horse-hair mats. No wonder vaulting was one of my
strong events as time went on. On FX we had NO mats sometimes and then
when we did something "really hard" we would stratigicly place horse-hair
mats around on the wooden floor so we could land on them(or not-whichever
the case would be). Those were the days! Now when my students say they
don't like the springs in the floor I have little sympathy. Or when the
girls say that the padding on the beam is too hard, I tell them when we
used to do beam with NO padding. I think when you started back in the
1950's you appreciate whatever new inventions are in use now. However,
that did not stop us from doing new skills and from being "daredevils". HA!

Patty

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 14:34:08 EDT
From: ***@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Re: Olympic Tickets

>What is the address for getting Olympic tickets

There will be an official form and instruction booklet (30+ pages) released at
Coke displays in supermarkets sometime in April.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 14:34:07 EDT
From: ***@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject: Re: Bad Press

>While the article had several valid points, it was distasteful. . .

Are you really surprised, considering the source?

Jeff
Another [forced] reader of the AJ&C

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:46:50 +0200
From: ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Where are they?

Hi guys
Does anyone know where Jennie Thompson and Dominique Moceanu are
training at the moment. They seem to keep "club-hopping".
Happy Handsprings,
Helen.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:31:38 -0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Re: 90-second warning

>> > Little technical thing:
>> >
>> > I've forgotten when the warning bell to get off the beam sounds:
>> Five > seconds?
>> >
>> > Simon
>> >
>>
>> Ten seconds. Like the idea of your subject line: "Just get off
>> pretty soon."
>>
> Just for the sake of trivia, it used to be five seconds before this
> Code. The change was a good move IMO.
>
> :)
> Adriana
>

That's probably it. The last time I actually read the warning time was
before the code change. Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 13:41:40 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: floor mats

>
{...}
>
> Or when the girls say that the padding on the beam is too hard, I tell them
> when we used to do beam with NO padding. I think when you started back in the
> 1950's you appreciate whatever new inventions are in use now. However,
> that did not stop us from doing new skills and from being "daredevils". HA!

Heres how you cure that:

Get a 6 ft length of maple 4x4, have is sanded and heavily varathaned.
Have it bolted to a 2 ft long cross piece at each end so that they serve as
risers and as braces (Dont worry, something that size wont roll over no matter
what!)

Now have them do a couple leaps on it.
Then remind them how lucky they are to have padding at all!

-texx

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 16:55:28 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: floor mats

> I just had to get in on this! Not only did we do vault on the board with
> NO springs (called a beat board), we also vaulted WITH the pommels, and

Beat boards -- that's what I meant when I spoke of the wooden
"spring"boards. But we were still using them in *1984*. So there! ;)

:)
Adriana

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:44:45 EDT
From: ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Olympic Tickets

I called the Atlanta Committee for the Olympic Games last week for some
info. (I was already in their database, but my snail address changed,
but that's another story. . . ) They said that the Olympic ticket info
packets were going to be to big to mail (weird, huh?), and that the info
packets would be in Home Depot stores and in grocery stores that sell
Coke products on MAY 1, 1995.

--Brent

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 15:59:00 PDT
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Stupid Announcer Tricks

The stupidest thing I have heard an announcer say is

"Gouda is pronounced Howda" - Becky Dixon
Rotterdam Event Finals coverage

No its ok, I didnt want to see routines, I wanted to learn
about cheese.

And Becky Dixon wonders why she got gum thrown in her hair during
an interview during the '88 US/USSR.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 17:03:21 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Where are they?

Dominique Moceanu is at Karolyi's -- has been for several years now.
Jennie T is at Dynamo (with two sidetrips to Karolyi's in the last few
years).

Mike says hi, btw.

Rachele

Forwarded message:
| Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 20:46:50 +0200
| Reply-To: ***@MAIL.LSS.CO.ZA
| Subject: Where are they?
|
| Hi guys
| Does anyone know where Jennie Thompson and Dominique Moceanu are
| training at the moment. They seem to keep "club-hopping".
| Happy Handsprings,
| Helen.

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 19:23:17 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Russian Championships

Dear Amanda and all other interested parties!
The Russian papers are starting to trickle in. The meet that was held in
late March was the Russian Championships. How they differ from the Russian Cup,
I'm not quite sure, but what Roshchina won last fall was the Russian Cup.
So far I only have the results of compulsories, so here they are:

1. Dmitry Karbonenko (Moscow) - 55.65
2. Aleksei Nemov (Togliatti) - 55.125
3. Yevgeny Shabayev (Moscow) - 55.1
4. A. Ionov (Cherkessk) - 54.95
5. Dmitry Trush (Voronezh) - 54.8
6. Yevgeny Podgorny (Novosibirsk) - 54.65

I have no clue what happened to Vasilenko; he's not even mentioned in the
article. The author says Aleksei Voropayev completely blew the meet. She had
decided to use him as the standard for comparison with everyone else, since he
was the only Olympian in the competition. But he made mistakes on 3 events in a
row and then basically gave up. She was very impressed with Karbonenko and
Nemov, though.

Women:

1. Dina Kochetkova (Moscow) - 37.9
2. Svetlana Khorkina (Belgorod) - 37.1
3. Oksana Fabrichnova (Moscow) - 36.9
4. Natalia Bobrova (she's back!) (Novosibirsk) - 36.05
5. Natalia Ivanova (Cheboksary) - 35.95
6. Yelena Grosheva (Yaroslavl) - 35.75

The author was most impressed with Khorkina. Here's a quote: "When you watch
her, you get the strange feeling that the era of the great gymnasts from the
late 1980s has returned. Just look: Svetlana Boginskaya, Svetlana Khorkina."
Yevgenia Roshchina and her coach were in Italy for two months, and
Yevgenia competed for a club called Navarra. The author says that thanks to
her, the club moved from 12th to 7th in the national rankings, and Roshchina
was unofficially the No. 1 gymnast in Italy, beating out some unnamed Romanians
who were competing for other clubs.
The author seems to be rather confused about the situation in Germany. She
mentions a "Soviet boom" in men's gymnastics, saying that Belenky and Kharkov
have moved there. This part is true. She then mentions that Shcherbo, Ivankov,
Misyutin and Korobchinsky are also competing for German clubs, which is also
true, but she seems to be under the impression that they've all emigrated
there, because she ends the paragraph with "One can imagine how great the
German team will be!" It was my understanding that the latter 4 gymnasts would
compete for German clubs in a certain number of meets each year, but they have
not changed their citizenship and will represent Belarus and Ukraine
internationally. I don't know where she got the idea they'd be on the German
team (besides, there's no way they could change their citizenship that fast!)
More later when I receive the papers that cover optionals and "Stars of
the World" (Moscow News).

Beth

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 21:06:42 -0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject: where they are...

i think jennie is at dynamo still or i may have heard she went back to
karolyis

dominique is at brown's i last read

anyone-correct me if i am wrong! adrienne

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:22:11 -0700
From: ***@CALVIN.LINFIELD.EDU
Subject: Re: Where are they?

Last I heard Jennie was at Steve Nunno's in Oklahoma and Dominique I'm
99% sure is at Karoyli's (sp?) in Texas.

Sarah

> Hi guys
> Does anyone know where Jennie Thompson and Dominique Moceanu are
> training at the moment. They seem to keep "club-hopping".
> Happy Handsprings,
> Helen.
>

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 18:08:31 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Mtn Pacific stuff

Mens gymn, Mtn Pacific

Heard this morning that Stanford won,
second was New Mexico,
third Nebraska
fourth Berkeley
fifth Oklahoma.

Between Stanford & Berkeley was 1.4 points.
Was that close or what ?
Stanford won by a fraction of a point.

Stanford rose from like 14th to #1

Ive been bitching for a long time about the medocrity of mens gymn
here in the Bay Area. Well its time to shut up.
Well actually at first I was judging against TV before I realized how much
TV was editing out. TV edits out ALL the screwups so I was judging
harshly. I eventually figured out that for the moment, Stanford was the
gold standard. Now everyones so close and Stanfords scores are too far
down from the "Lynch Days".
Now Stanford is doing well,(well it has all along) but Berkeley is coming back
and San Jose State has finally gotten its act together for the first time in
years.
This coming year is gonna be one of the hottest out here in years.
I cant WAIT for January !

Who knows, the excitement may even keep away my usual winter depression.
(I suffer from SAD)

Man its GREAT to have excellence out here again.
I was kind a surprised tho, I was expecting Berkeley to win this time.
Just missed it. They are gonna be a mean team next year with so close a loss.

Something I just realized the last few days, I have seen FAR fewer guys fall off
Pommel Horse than past years.


-texx
Face down, 9 edge first, roadkill on the information super data highway...

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:23:22 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: INTRODUCTION

Hi
My name is Carl and I am the Asst Coach for Springfield College Men's
Gymnastic Team. I have read so many interesting perspectives up to this
point but have not responded. A little about my background. I was on a club
team (Gymnastrum - Lehigh PA) and then competed on The Springfield College
Men' s Gymnastic Team.

Question: Why the sudden change to multiple flips on floor for mens
gymnastics? I realize the code of points awards it but should it. I think
it has made floor a boring event to watch. Is not a double layout or full-in
not only more impresive to watch but harder than a back 1 1/2 twist punch
front. (As a athlete who competited both I thought so.) I also believe one
doesn't have to be a good tumbler to score high. Note: Can you believe 3 boun
ding front 1/1 in a row is worth 6 bonus points!!!
Peace :)

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:40:32 EDT
From: ***@LEO.VSLA.EDU
Subject: Peachtree Classic

Just finished watching the Peachtree Classic (Kodak
Invitational?) and enjoyed very much seeing finally Karen
Lichey on screen, as well as seeing Mina Kim's bar routine
again and Marianna Webster's solid and graceful beam routine,
but the definite highlight for me was Shannon's jazzy new
fx--wow, if she hits that one right in Atlanta that's a
gold medal right there.
--
Patrick

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 22:54:30 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: commentating

I just got done watching the Kodak (Peachtree) Invitational, and I must
say that was some of the most embarrassing commentating I have ever heard! The
highlights (or lowlights) were, among others, the discussion about the color of
the floor mat, calling Heather Brink's beam mount a "dismount" and stating that
the Goodwill Games were held in late 1984. I thought that with taped events,
the commentators did the voice-overs later, when the competition was being
edited for TV. I can understand inane comments during live broadcasts, where it
would be easy to get flustered, but when something is taped, why can't the
commentators go back and fix their mistakes? If I were them, I'd certainly want
to take the time to do that instead of sounding so ridiculous on nationwide TV!
Tough break for Jaycie Phelps. I really like her style and don't think she
should change to be more like Amanda. I think Jaycie's classical elegance on
floor suits her personality really well. I am very impressed with this gymnast,
and have been ever since I saw her in Dortmund. I'm glad she stuck with the
sport! :)
I can't decide what I think about Shannon's new floor. I enjoyed it while
I was watching it, but now I can barely remember it! I guess there wasn't
really anything that stood out. But I'm glad she finally has a new routine!
What did others think?

Beth

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Date: Mon, 3 Apr 1995 23:36:07 -0400
From: ***@EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU
Subject: Peachtree

Anyone else see the competition on ESPN? I just wanted to say tht Mina
Kim looks like a great US hopeful! Her bar routine is unbelievable and
her dismount was too! She is so little that it scares me to watch her a
bit but I hope to see more of her in the future!

Also, Shannon's new floor routine wasn't too bad! She even smiled during
the routine which is more than I've seen her do in a while. she is now
doing four tumbling passes which I think helps her "over the hill" image.

That's all for now! Thanks for listening.
Melissa

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