GYMN-L Digest - 10 Apr 1995 to 11 Apr 1995
There
are 23 messages totalling 755 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. BIG 10 CHAMPS.
2. Superstars video
3. QLD Elite meet
4. Andrei Kratsov
& Pavel Mamine
5. FLOOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS:
6. Scoring & Viewer
7. Western Regionals (Men) (3)
8. SE Regional Champs scores
(repost)
9. Coaching Help
10. Gold Gymnastics Tour
11. Impressions of Superstars
12. (COPY) USA
Gymnastics Mall Tour
13. Code
Ideas / Dobre's famous pose
14. tatiana
groshkova
15. Poetry - Ode to Stobi
16. SW Regionals?
17. Opinion poll
18. Wondering
19. Romania vs. GB/Cacovean
20. Favorite Men's Routines?
21. intro and
favorite floor routines
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 22:45:50
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
BIG 10 CHAMPS.
Was just flipping channels
when I stumbled across the Big 10 Women's
Gymnastics Championships on
Sports Channel Chicago, which we get here in
Iowa. If you get this channel, this
competition will re-air tomarrow,
Tuesday, April
11 at 11 pm Central, and then again on Friday, April 14 at 11
pm Central. If
you get any of the Sports Channels (they have different ones
in a lot of cities), check your local listings and maybe
they'll have it,
too.
Ann Marie
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 23:59:44
-0400
From: ***@EMERALD.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:
Re: Superstars video
I know how you feel! I've been tricked before
into buying the tapes that
I think are going to be a compilation of various
gymnasts when in fact,
they are only a tape of the
Nationals. This is precisely why I didn't but
the
new "Superstars" tape. I agree that the company should be more
truthful about what exactly is on the tape! Sorry you are
disappointed!
Melissa
> Hi everyone,
>
> Well, I
just got done watching the new NBC video, Superstars of Gymnastics
> and am a little disappointed. Has anyone else seen it? It was advertised as
> a video about America's best gymnasts, so I was expecting to
see profiles of
> Kim, Shannon, Dominique and others, but it turns out
it is really the 1995
> American Cup. It shows the Shannon profile that was on
T.V. (about how
> "hard" the past
year has been for her) and has a short profile on Dom. It
> also
shows their floor routines from 1994 Nationals, but, like in the
>
America's Best videos, with dubbed music.
There's a little tribute to Scott
> Keswick, along with highlights
from his performance at Nationals.
> The video does, however, show 5
women's vault (which weren't on T.V.), as
> well
as the awards ceremony. Only 4
men's events are on it (with a couple
> performances
each) and the women's floor music is dubbed.
> I'm not upset about
buying it, as I collect them all, but I wish they'd been
> a little more truthful in the advertising--even the box it
comes in doesn't
> say it's the American
Cup! Of course, the America's Best
videos never said
> they were about Nationals,
so I should have known better!
>
> Ann Marie
>
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:40:47
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
QLD Elite meet
Hi Everyone,
I spent the weekend in Brisbane
at a National elite meet, and since the
standard
was pretty high, I thought I'd fill you in........
Unfortunately
injuries plauged the meet, Stoyal
and Wills couldn't
compete because of injury and
Jo Hughes was 'unavailable' according to
the local
press. Thankfully Ju Ping turned up with her AIS sqad
(two of
whom only did warmups
because of injuries - Davidson & Preston), which
left
only Ruth Moniz, Nicole Kantek, Kirsty-Lee
Brown and Rebecca Wilson
to fight out the senior
title...........
Moniz did well, to lead after compulseries. She had a large step on
Vault, and a
fall from beam I think (her compulsery BB is still gorgeos -
the toe point and extention!)
From memory, Brown was consistent on
all events.....she's the 'typical'
Aussie, good form, extension and long lines.
Kantek, competing in her first year as a senior, had a
rough compulsery
day,
falling off Beam and staggering backwards 7 steps on her UB dismount
only to fall anyway.
Her compulery FX was great though!
In
optionals Moniz did two full twisting yurchenkos on
Vault, both landed a little low, then
repeated her commonwealth Games
mistake on UB,
missing her Jager combo (only caught it once in Warmups out
of about 6
tries). Her BB set was great! Layout on,
flick-layout-layout,
flick-layout-flick, Rulfolfa and Double pike
dismount. Heck
it even made Ju Ping smile! Her FX has come a long way
in the past few months, something you can only put down to Nelic
Tishabievs move from
the WAIS in Perth to the AIS in Canberra (for those
of
you trying to work out who he is, he was the CIS floor coach in
Barcelona,
and can be seen with Gutsu etc
during team warmups). Anyway,
Ruth nailed a piked full-in, double layout/pike
and two whips to double
twist. Coreography
was same as commonwealths.
Kirsty-Lee Brown
has come a long way in a year. Her
vault was a little
weak, only handspring tucked
(she won vault thanks to a stuck
compulsery),
but her UB was innovative, despite a sloppy delchev.
Larissa
Fontaine is no longer the only gymanst in the world
doing a
double front arabian
off UB - Brown showed it here, with perfect form
pointed
toes and a stuck landing. IMO it's
better than
Fontaines........On
BB she did front somi on (but doesn't
everyone!),
flick-layout, punch front and only a
back layout off. But since
everything was stuck and she managed to stay on BB both days
she won that
event. On FX she mounted with 2&1/2 twist,
and then just did front
tumbling. I barely remember the coreography so it obviously wasn't
anything
special.
NIcole Kantek
has long been touted as Australias Atlanta hopeful (I
first
have a TV piece done on her in 1990 at
9!) Her skill level is the
highest of any Australian, and she has a different body type
to most -
short and powerful. On Vault she did a
Hristkieva (both with small
steps),
and on UB used alot of variety in swing, a tckhatev and full-in
dismount. She did a layout onto beam,
flick-layout-layout (fall),
flick - flick to two
feet - layout to two feet, some great leaps where
both
feet come up to touch the back of the head (are these Yang Bo's? a
few Aussie juniors are training them), and dismounted with
flick - flick
to two - double tuck. FX is her favourite
event and it's not hard to see
why (she won it at
China Cup last year and was 2nd to Hatagan at
International Juniors in 93). She mounts with piked
full-in, and then
does
another 3 or 4 front and twisting passes.
The coreography is fast
and
modern and she did three shushunova's, one conected to a front full.
Anyway, scores for
Senior AA were
1. Moniz
72.461
2. Brown
72.424
3. Kantek
71.386
Brown won Vault and Beam, Kantek
UB and Moniz FX.
The states sub-junior elites were also in action, competiting for places
to
Nationals next month in Perth. These kids are coached by Russian
Vladimir Zakharov, and he's doing a
terrific job! All 10 kids have
better full turns on BB than Milosovici,
and most reach 180 degree split
on the
arabesque. Australian gymnasts are
expected to medal in Sydney
2000, and if they don't, government funding
will probably be cut
drastically. But these kids are certainly on track
for our best result
ever and who knows - maybe top
4 in the team comp will be a possibility.
The names to
look out for? IMO Kristy Dobbie, Kristy Browse and Jessica
Auld - though don't
take my word for it, since as a talent scout I'm
pathetic!
(I saw Lussac & Milosovici
compete in the very same gym four
years ago and
thought little - instead I predicted a great future for
Soviet junior Irina
Golub, who turned out to be a 'one meet wonder'!)
On an amusing note, if you walked into
this meet knowing nothing about
Australian gymnastics, you could be
forgiven for thinking you were in
China or Russia! I managed to count 2 Australian
coaches! There were 5
Russian
coaches, 1 Russian judge (Olga Turcheva - anyone
heard of her -
was she an old gymnast - she had
grey hair), and about 4 Chinese
coaches. Add to that two Russian male gymnasts
competing, who
now call
Australia home (see next post). One thing is certain, although no
one
can guarantee these kids an Olympic medal,
Australian gymnastics can
guarentee
they'll finish their career fluent in a foreign language!!!!!!
Michelle
;-)
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:14:00
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Andrei Kratsov & Pavel Mamine
Hi Folks,
Two guys from Russia, are now in Australia training at the AIS in
Canberra
and hoping to represent our country in Atlanta (if they're
naturalisation papers are through
in time). Not knowing much about
men's
gymnastics I really don't know if anyone's
interested in this..........
To cut a long story short, Andrei Kratsov (23) was Russian national
junior
champion, and was selected to represent the USSR in two
international
tournaments, and was on the national team from 1984 to
1991. Then when he looked to have a place at Krugloye his coach had a
'personal
dispute with the acadamy'. He was then offered a position with
the Royal London Circus, and decided to take it. He said it was a heart
wrenching decision, which haunted him while watching the
Olympic telecast
while stuck in a hotel room in Malasia.
This is what he told the local newspaper
about it:
"When I was watching the Olympic games in Malasia all my friends were in
the
team and I knew I had a 90% chance to have been part of the team. In
1991 I had hoped to get into the
Russian training centre. But when
everything
came together, I felt I had nothing.
I decided to work in the
circus. It was a hard decision because I knew I
couldn't go back to
gymnastics and the
Olympics."
He then met an Australian dancer, and fell in
love. She lived in QLD,
and he fell in love with the place on a visit. (they've since
split up) He
rang
to ask about a
coaching position, and the AIS immeadiatlly snapped him up, and he's now
been training there since November 1993. He's ranked No 2 in Australia
behind Dowrick. Here's what he sais
about his new home " Australia is a
good
country, the people are friendly, and there is nice weather."
The
other gymnast is Moscuvite Pavel
Mamine, who 'enjoyed national junior
success'. He too
fell in love with an
Australian woman overseas, and when he came to
Australia rang Kratsov.
He was then invited to
train at the AIS in Canberra, away from his
girlfriend
who still lives in Brisbane.
OK that's about all I know, but Andrei
did say something interesting
about the circus
situation.....
"There's quite a lot of
Russian gymnasts who defect to the circus.
It
was easy for us. The government used to sponser all kind of sports, but
then
everything changed and there was no money and no privilage."
I
know Tatiana Groshkova joined the Moscow Circus for a
while. How many
others are there?
Finally just to amuse you, the
article (don't worry I've only coppied a
few quotes out of a two page article), said that 'many of
Russia's elite
gymnasts have turned to circuses
world wide, including former world
champion
Svetlana Bogunskaya'. Seemed inacurate
until I thought about
those pro meets - which IMO are
as funny and (ir)relevant to gymnatics
as a
circus!!!!!!
Michelle
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:58:09
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Re: FLOOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS:
I came accross
this gem, while reading through my mail and simply had to
comment.
> Opponents of this plan feel
> that the American public has become very comfortable with
the idea that
> 10's are the mark of perfection, and they like to root
for their
> favorites
to score a 10.0. Can you imagine
the average, once every four
> years,
gymnastics watching American rooting for their fav to
score a
> "perfect" 36.4?
Gymnastics
doesn't belong to America!!!!
Therefore what the American
public thinks
(or doesn't think) should in no way influence how this
sport
is scored! This almost reads like
the IG article which said
'Compulseries
are Unamerican' and using that as the premise went
about
giving reasons why they should be
abolished!!!!
For crying out loud, this sport isn't the posession of American TV,
indeed
if it is owned by anyone, it's the
Soviets and Romanians, as
they created it to be
what it is today! To my mind the
only
influence America has had on Womens gymanstics is 'the Miller
thing' on
BB - and I personally am sick to death of that!!!
Don't
get me wrong here folks, I'm not USA bashing - just pointing out
that this is a truly international sport, and it shouldn't
become what
Americans want it to be, simply for TV ratings!
Michelle
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 00:58:23
-0700
From: ***@NSN.SCS.UNR.EDU
Subject:
Scoring & Viewer
Maybe the time is coming that gymnastics scoring
needs to be divided up
into two
classifications. One set of scores
for technical execution and
another for Artisic expression.
Perhaps 5 points possible for each added
together
for the possible 10.00. (Just to keep the 10 idea).
The scores
would be flashed individually as in
other sports that use two sets. This
would make
the scoring more competitive and possibly more
understandable
to the viewers.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 05:57:24
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Re: Western Regionals (Men)
| 4. California
| 5. New Mexico
Hmmm
-- I would guess that Josh is right on this one, with Cal being
4th. He has too many details for my second
hand info to dispute. ;)
Trivia:
Barry Weiner, Cal coach, and Fred Turoff, Temple
coach, both
coaches of the 4th place teams at
their respective regionals, were
former teammates
at Temple.
The Eastern Regional saw some questionable scoring
also. Everybody
was surprised that Penn State won -- including Penn State.
Dave
Riordan, PSU, said in the press conference that they didn't even
know
for sure that they'd qualified. When 4th place was announced (and
they weren't in it), they felt "relief". He said that when 2nd place
was announced, it was "amazing" because they just
had no idea that
they won. The Penn State guys were lucky to win,
and they knew it.
The gymnastics at the Eastern Regional was
incredible. Iowa, in their
sleek black uniforms
(that don't photograph very well), was just
outstanding. Every time you looked at them, they were
hitting, with
good form and execution. Ohio State looked great when I was
watching
them, too, but they must have faltered at
some events to fall to 3rd.
They have two very heavy hitters in Blaine
Wilson and Drew Durbin (his
first competition back
this year) -- Blaine was first in the AA, btw.
Temple and Minnesota
were both teams that "could have". Both looked
strong
however and if the regionals had been held on their home court,
would have qualified in. Some felt that Temple deserved to be in
the
top three (although you're not supposed to
compare scores between
meets, it's noteworthy that
Temple's score was the fifth best in the
nation,
but they are not one of the six teams that makes it to
Nationals
because they are 4th in their region). The top five East
teams
were very closely matched and many felt that this was a great
meet. Illinois - Chicago, in 6th, was never a contender,
but
nevertheless displayed good gymnastics also,
particularly when I was
watching them on
floor.
Josh, do you know who the Cal gymnast
was who qualified to NCAAs?
I'm really looking forward to Nationals...
they should be outstanding.
I was really impressed by the "hit
percentage" at East Regionals, and
I've heard that people at West
regionals expect Stanford to take it.
Ohio State will have the home
advantage, however.
If you want to go to this meet, the number to
order tickets is
1-800-GO-BUCKS.
The competition begins at 7pm each night: Thursday
April 20 (team
prelims and AA), Friday April 21 (team championship),
and
Saturday April 22 (event finals).
It will be at St. John's Arena.
Rachele
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:05:06
-0400
From: ***@SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
SE Regional Champs scores (repost)
I posted this yesterday but I
haven't seen it yet on the list.
Sorry if
you've seen this before.
Lisa
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Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 15:18:55 -0400
(EDT)
From: ***@sidwell.edu
Subject: Women's Southeast Regional
Championship
I went to the NCAA women's southeast regional
championship, which was
held at Towson State
University in Towson, Md. on Saturday (4/8) night.
I took notes on the meet
and I'm working on a post with my impressions,
but
it's kinda long, so I thought I'd just post the
results and send the
impressions off later. I'm too lazy to look up some of the
first
names that I don't know and the last names
that I think I spelled
wrong, so you'll just have
to deal with it :). Haven't seen
any posts on
Gymn yet, but our Internet
connection has been down since Sat. afternoon
and
mail is just now getting through, so sorry if anyone has posted this
and it's just been queued.
Team:
1. University
of Georgia 197.575 (meet
record, *8th* straight time UGA
has won this
meet)
2. University of Florida 195.7
3. West Virginia University 193.325
4.
University of Kentucky
192.000
5. North Carolina State University 191.600
6. Towson State University 190.125
7.
George Washington University 188.025
Vault:
1.
Jenny Hansen (Kentucky) 10.00
2. Chrissy Vogel
(Florida) 9.975
3. Ballard, Kim Arnold (both Georgia) 9.95
5. Leah
Brown, Agina Simpkins, Lori Strong (all Georgia), Karlen (sp.) (WVU)
9.925
Bars
1. Lori
Strong (Georgia) 10.00
2. Agina Simpkins
(Georgia) 9.975
3. Jenny Hansen (Kentucky), Dewey (Georgia) 9.95
5.
Erin Shandley (Towson), Kristen Guise (Florida)
9.925
Beam
1. Kim Arnold (Georgia) 9.90
2. Jenny Hansen
(Kentucky), Agina Simpkins (Georgia) 9.875
4.
Newton (NC State), Ballard (Georgia) 9.85
6. Dameron
(sp.) (William and Mary) 9.80
Floor
1. Lori Strong (Georgia)
9.95
2. Angelos (Georgia) 9.925
3. Kim Arnold
(Georgia) 9.90
4. Newton (NC State) 9.85
5. Martha Grubbs (Florida),
Ballard (Georgia), Quackenbush (WVU) 9.825
All
Around
1. Kim Arnold (Georgia) 39.6
2. Jenny Hansen (Kentucky)
39.525
3. Newton (NC State) 39.3
4. Kristen Guise (Florida), Lori
Strong (Georgia) 39.2
6. Johnson (Florida) 39.175
I didn't get
these scores from an official scoresheet or anything,
just
from what they said on the loudspeaker, so
don't sue me if they're wrong
:).
I can post exactly what this
means in terms of nationals, etc. if anyone
wants.
Impressions coming soon, hopefully by the weekend.
Lisa
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:39:01
-0400
From: ***@A1.CSOC.UMC.DUPONT.COM
Subject:
Coaching Help
Does anyone out there have experience working with
handicapped
gymnasts? I have a new student in the gym who has no legs.
After the first class, I realized that
almost every skill would
need to be modified for
him. None of the standard
progressions
are going to work for him. I was wondering if anyone has
developed progressions for some basic and/or intermediate
skills
that they would be willing to share.
Some
initial hurdles are:
1.
Backward roll. He does fine on the
incline, but
without the weight of legs to pull himself over
he
gets stuck on a flat surface.
2.
Tap swing. I'm really stuck on
this. Any of you
biomechanics folks out there know if this is
possible?
3.
I'm looking for a way for him to get to support on the
Pbars by himself.
Remember, we're talking about a six
year old beginner here.
I would
appreciate any and all help on this topic.
I think it
would be best to take this
discussion to email, unless you think
it would
benefit the whole list. TIA.
-Jim
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 08:38:33
PDT
From: ***@MCM.COM
Subject:
Re: Western Regionals (Men)
From the San Jose Mercury news: Cal fourth, New Mexico fifth.
Josh Berkelbaw was the third all around qualifier. He apparently
had
a great meet. David Kruse won high
bar and floor and
maybe vault (?).
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Begin Included Message ---
The three teams to qualify were:
1.
Stanford, 228.750
2. Oklahoma, 227.850
3. Nebraska, 227.450
New
Mexico was 4th, and Cal Berkeley was 5th.
Two of the three all-around
qualifiers were Darren Elg and Blaz
Puljic. The
third was a Cal gymnast, but I don't know who (Trent
Wells?).
I
don't have any event qualifiers.
If anyone has more accurate
information, please post!
Rachele
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End Included Message ---
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:38:40
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Gold Gymnastics Tour
I am
interested in attending one of the exhibitions. From what I have
read
in the mail, this is different from the Superstars Of Gymnastics
that I went to in Philadelphia. If anyone knows the tour dates,
please
post it.
THE MIKESTER
BEE
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 13:54:06
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Impressions of Superstars
I
had the fortunate oppertunity to attend the
Superstars in Phily
last
week. From it I had some stark impressions.
First, I enjoyed the use of floor seats. It cost a little more, but
it is well worth it.
With the floor seats it is actually possible to see
the gymnasts perform without straining. It is like the feeling of a
local meet.
Second, it is my opinion that this format has a real chance. What
is
needed is the right promotion.
Also, some fine tuning needs to be done.
Third, I personally am tired of Paul Hunt's routines. It is the
same
basic thing he's been doing for a while.
Plus, I know some will
think I am goining too far, but I still see the thing as very
sexist.
Finally, I was very impressed with some of the athletes. Kim Zmeskal
wow the crowd when she did her FX routine. Dominique Moceanu
is a great
athlete and is a good hope for the
future of U.S. gymnastics. The
Romanians
girls did good routines, but made some
mistakes.
"Have Fun"
THE MIKESTER BEE
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 10:33:21
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Re: Western Regionals (Men)
Rachele asked
about the Cal gymnast who qualifird despite his team
eating it
in the competition.
Josh Birckelbaw (I KNOW I mangles the spelling), as I
recall.
-texx
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 11:55:00
PDT
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
(COPY) USA
Gymnastics Mall Tour
USA Gymnastics is debuting "Club
Gymnastics," a national mall tour in
Indianapolis, Ind., at the
Greenwood Park Mall, Saturday, April 22
from 10:30
a.m.-9:00 p.m. and Sunday, April 23 from 12:00 p.m.-5:00
p.m.,
Club Gymnastics is sponsored by John Hancock, L'eggs and Reebok.
Most of the malls where the gymnasts will perform are managed by
Simon
Property Group, one of the nation's leading developers and
managers of
shopping centers.
# # #
- not even the Mogilny could have constructed something so
outrageously funny....
-Brett
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:39:07
-0400
From: ***@FREENET.CARLETON.CA
Subject:
Re: Code Ideas / Dobre's famous pose
> bars. Also, the gymnasts should all have to do
Dobre's famous pose (which
> he
saw from my poster) on beam or else they are disqualified
What was Dobre's famous pose?
I was a Dobre fan and didn't know she had
one.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 15:07:01
-0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject:
tatiana groshkova
did tatiana groshkova
reall yjoin the circus-does
anyone has anymore
details? i did notice that she just sort of disappeared-adrienne
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 14:59:00
PDT
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Poetry - Ode to Stobi
I call this one Stovbt
I've fallen again
and
I just can't get up
this time.
Not even for my
republic
I'm very patriotic as you know
Tanya
and I carry the flag
My blinding leotards
keep
your mind off my
scary Tkatchevs.
A
photographer's dream
Beautiful in the air.
Hello?
Mission Control?
Coming in for a crash landing.
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:37:14
-0700
From: ***@NSN.SCS.UNR.EDU
Subject:
SW Regionals?
Does anyone know the outcome of the SW Regionals? I
believe that ASU is
in that region. I've seen results for W, SE, & E. I
haven't seen ASU
mentioned in any of the results
and since they came in 2nd at the UCLA
Inv. and came in 2nd at Pac-10s, I
can't believe that they wouldn't place
somewhere
in a regional.
Greg
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Date: Wed, 12 Apr 1995 10:01:48
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Re: Opinion poll
I gave alot of thought to
who was the best ever on the 'other' events,
and
here's what I came up with:
Vault - 1. Laschenova - full twisting Yurchenko
(89 Worlds)
2. Shugayeva -
Double yurchenko (91 Jnr Europeans - she
completed the two twists so early I had to watch it three
times to be
sure it was a double - and she stuck
it with good form!)
3. Chusovitina - piked bariani (2nd vault - 1990 Goodwill team comp)
Bars
- 1. Gurova (87 Moscow News or 87 Worlds)
2. Gutsu (92 Moscow News - her Olympic routine, but with a
full
twisting double layout dismount - stuck for a
10!)
3.
Lu Li (92 Olympics)
Beam - 1. Groshkova
(90 USA v USSR)
2. Dudnik (89 Europeans)
3. Lisenko (92 Olympic Final or 92 Worlds prelims)
Michelle
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 20:32:05
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Wondering
Who will be in Atlanta? Has this ever been done before on GYMN
as a poll?
My picks for the 7
(?) U.S. women would be:
Shannon Miller, Dominique Dawes and Kerri Strug for sure (unless they are
seriously
injured). If they can keep up with
the skills, there's no way
anyone could deny
them. But, then again, remember
Hilary Grivich?
I have a feeling Dominique Moceanu and Jennie Thompson will be there--they
seem to be the most consistant
young ones.
I'm hoping the most for Kim Zmeskal. If what I'm hearing is true, it
sounds
like she has a good chance. I loved a recent statement in IG:
"An Olympics
without Bela
Karolyi is like cake without icing. Dry."
Amanda Borden has a
good shot, too, if she can keep her focus.
Well, those would be my
picks, and I stress, MY PICKS!!! I
know others will
disagree, but this post isn't
meant to start a verbal war! I
would, however,
love to hear who others like.
Later,
Ann
Marie
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 21:12:27
-0400
From: ***@CAPACCESS.ORG
Subject:
Re: Romania vs. GB/Cacovean
I have an
article from TIME (july 27, 1992) taht
I used for
a report a few years ago in which
"BEloa Karolyi admits
to faking bi
birth date in his native Romania to
allow underage
gymnasts to perform"
Megan
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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 17:21:23
-0700
From: ***@MHS.MENDOCINO.K12.CA.US
Subject:
Favorite Men's Routines?
With all this talk of
favorite women's routines and specialists,
I've begun to wonder who
people's favorite men's performers are on various
apparatus.
I'd also be interested in hearing opinions about the most
difficult combinations or routines that have been performed,
whether
successfully or not. The main reason I
hope to start a dialogue on this
topic is so I can
learn more about the history of men's gymnastics and what
skills have been performed before.
My
favorite men's tumbling pass would have to be Iannis
Melissanidis's
whip to immediate double layout punch front at the 94 worlds.
I also
loved Scherbo's 93 worlds routine in the finals,
which opened with a
double twisting double layout
and closed with a layed-out full out, and also
included a layed-out front double
twist.
Orion Burdick
orion@mhs.mendocino.k12.ca.us
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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 1995 16:53:00
EST
From: ***@MCIMAIL.COM
Subject:
intro and favorite floor routines
As I've been catching up on my
digests, I've found that the
recent thread of
favorite floor (and bars and beam) routines has
really
been a fun trip down memory lane, so much fun, in fact,
that
it's brought me out from lurking.
So, seeing as though I've
never introduced
myself (even though I've been lurking for a
while
now)... As a kid, I first got
hooked on gymnastics during
the '76 Olympics. Over the years I've enjoyed the sport
mostly as
a spectator, and now I take an adult
gymnastics class (anyone
else out there who's
doing adult gymnastics, I'd love to hear
from
you!).
Here are some more picks for favorite floor routines
(in no particular order, some have already been
mentioned):
Ungureanu '76 Olympics
Szabo '83 Worlds
Agache
'83 Worlds
Silivas '89 Europeans
Silivas
'87 Worlds
Silivas '87 DTB cup
Frolova
'86 (?) USA v USSR
Omelianchik '85 and '87
Worlds
Dudnik '89 Worlds
Strazheva '86 Goodwill Games
Boginskaya
'89 Europeans
Johnson
'90 (?) World Cup
Miller '93 Worlds
Milosovici '91
Worlds
Shushunova '88 Olympics
There are
some oldies but goodies in that list.
OK, now back to lurker mode,
more or less.
Melissa
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