gymn Digest Wed, 16 Nov 94 Volume 3 : Issue 39

Today's Topics:
away for a while
Browns 3B's followup
Correction
IL Gymnast missing
Introduction
Letter from Omelianchik
Meet Results from Bregenz
missing gymnast
MISSING GYMNAST RESULTS
Missing IL gymnast
Ok....what is up?
secrets of the deep
Stormy's new career
Trivia Answers #24 - Vaulting
Trivia Questions #24 - Vaulting
US Team to Worlds (4 msgs)

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:51:14 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: away for a while

Just wanted to let you know that I'll be away on vacation for about three
weeks. I'll still be on the list, though, downloading mail every few days to
read when I get back, so keep it coming!

See you soon

Mara

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Date: Wed, 09 Nov 1994 16:38:15 -0500
From: ***@orl.mmc.com
Subject: Browns 3B's followup

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Just as a followup to Susan's earlier letter, Jenni Bethard and
company are NOT training at the new Browns in Houston. They did
perform an exhibition for the opening of the temporary site, but
are still training in the Altamonte Springs, FL gym. This comes
from a VERY reliable source (Jenni B's mom) that I was talking to
last night.



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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:46:57 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Correction

In my earlier message, "World Cup qualifying competition" should have
been "European Cup qualifying competition." Sorry!

Debbie

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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:33:52 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: IL Gymnast missing

Any news yet on who it is?
Thanx.

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 10:12:40 CST
From: ***@admin.stedwards.edu
Subject: Introduction

Hey Fellow Gym Fans,

I am new to the group. My name is Cole and I'm a 33 year old college
administrator in Austin, Texas. I have been a huge gymnastics enthusiast since
about 1973 when I enrolled in a tumbling class in my hometown. I competed in
high school but stopped before college, choosing to participate only as a
spectator. I keep up with the sport by reading publications (IG, for example)
and watching EVERY televised meet. I am thrilled to find this forum, as I've
never really met other folks that match my level of enthusiasm for the sport.
I have a feeling that's about to change.

I follow both men's and women's gymnastics, but probably enjoy keeping up with
the international women's field a little more. (In my next life I want to
coach a women's team.) I have always liked the Romanians, my favorites include
Dobre, Camelia Voinea, Silivas, Mirela Pasca, but follow the US and other
countries as well. I think we owe a tremendous debt to Olga Korbut who really
started the craze in this country. I'll never forget seeing her perform in
Munich. I was a wide eyed kid who discovered something that would be a part of
my life forever.

I look forward to communicating with all of you. Best wishes.

Cole

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:58:55 GMT
From: ***@ic.ac.uk
Subject: Letter from Omelianchik

I hope it's OK to post this. My friend Kasha has just got a letter
from Oksana Omelianchik and if Oksana doesn't mind here is the
translation (she writes in Russian):

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Dear Katya! Oksana Omelyanchik is writing to you. I am answering
your letter, which I received about a year ago. Things tend to be
exactly like that here.
A little about myself: it's already 5 years since I was
performing and training. Since then, I have been working. I work
in my own school in the gymnastics department. I even worked for a
year in America from '89 to '90. But in this year I was in Belgium
from January to June. But now there arises a linguistic obstacle.
I know English (not perfectly, but in general). But in Belgium, you
have to know French. The trainers more or less spoke English, but
the children didn't. It was interesting, but I really want to work
in an English-speaking country. Because of a back injury, I can't
insure myself or support children. But I choreograph with pleasure,
and this has turned out better for me. I teach dances and choreography,
make up combinations on beam and floor. The results haven't been bad.
Working as a choreographer makes me very happy, but I still miss
competition.
Now I have a growing daughter. She will be 3 years old on
Oct 23rd, she's called "Nastya", her full name is Anastasiya. She
helps me all the time, she's so grown up for her age, it's very
interesting.
My husband was in the army, now he works for the "militsiya"
(this is our police).
I have a brother and a sister, I am ten years older than my
brother and 12 years older than my sister. She does sports acrobatics
as a women's pair, but, this school year, she started in a more
difficult school, which I studied and trained.
That's all about myself. I am sending you a photo and autograph.
I would like to correspond with you further. Please write about yourself.
Goodbye! I'm waiting for your answer!

5-10-94
"Ksyusha" (what my friends and family call me)

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posted by Sherwin

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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:46:36 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Meet Results from Bregenz

Here are results from a World Cup qualifying meet in Bregenz, Austria:

Men's AA
1. Zoltan Supola (HUN) 55.40
2. Podgorny (RUS) 55.20
3. Zorebschewsky (UKR) 54.85

FX: 1. Podgorny 9.5 2. Poletsky (UKR) & Rosengren (SWE) 9.2
PH: 1. Catalin (AUT) 0.5 2. Kentimenos (GRE) 9.4 3. Supola 9.3
R: 1. Demyanov (CRO) 9.675 2. Zorebschewsky & Van Eetvelt (BEL) 9.5
V: 1. Rosengren (SWE) 9.35 2. Podgorny 9.3 3. Supola 9.225
PB: 1. Podgorny 9.4 2. Supola & Demyanov 9.3
HB: 1. Supola 9.3 2. Zorebschewsky 9.25 3. Kryukov (RUS) 9.1

Women's AA
1. Elena Lebedeva (RUS) 38.475
2. Natalia Bobrova (RUS) 37.775
3. Pavla Kinclova (CZE) 36.550

V: 1. Lebedeva 9.583 2. Kinska (SVK) 9.275 3. Andreasson (DEN) 9.1
UB: 1. Lebedeva 9.650 2. Bobrova 9.500 3. Leclerc (CAN) 9.425
B: 1. Kinska 9.275 2. Bobrova 9.150 3. Kinclova 9.100
FX: 1. Lebedeva 9.450 2. Bobrova 9.400 3. Emard (CAN) 8.850

These results were taken from the current issue of _Kicker_.

Also, there is a one-page story on Dominique Dawes in this week's _People_.


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Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:39:38 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@emerald.tufts.edu
Subject: missing gymnast

I wrote last night but am unsure if the message got through. My only
guess is Larissa Fontaine who is from Deerfield, IL. Has anyone heard
anything about this? Let me know!
-Melissa

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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:09:23 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: MISSING GYMNAST RESULTS

Sorry I'm late with the news, its not Larissa. It was some twelve year old
name: Carrie Somebody. Did not reconize the name. Her runaway note was she
was unhappy with her life, they found her in Wisconsin.
Sorry for delay,
Anne

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Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 17:45:52 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@dana.ucc.nau.edu
Subject: Missing IL gymnast

Do not forget all of the well-known (relatively-speaking, of
course) rhythmic gymnasts from Illinois before anyone starts panicking
about Larissa. If I hear that it is Larissa, however, I shall start
freaking. What about Betty Okino for that matter? Isn't she training in
the Chicago area for exhibitions?

Cara

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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:36:27 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@tiger.hsc.edu
Subject: Ok....what is up?

What happened?
All the messages I've received indicate that an Illinois gymnast
is somehow missing?

What is the story behind the question?

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:29:41 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@asu.edu
Subject: secrets of the deep

goodnight!

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Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:55:08 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Stormy's new career

An interesting note. Tonight I went to the USA vs. World Figure Skating that
was shown on CBS. Who was the arena announcer but Stormy Eaton. I've heard
him at gymn meets, but never before at a major event for another sport. Way
to go, Stormy (just don't leave us for them! <g>).

Mara

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Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:59:47 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Answers #24 - Vaulting

Again, thanks to all who submitted questions. Hope you all enjoyed the quiz!


#1 LeeAnn
#2 Cara
#3 Brett
#4 Adriana
#5 Adriana
#6 Lisa
#7 Susan
#8 Susan
#9 Steve
#10 Adriana


1. Who was the first female to compete the Yurchenko full vault at the 1992
Olympics?

Elvira Becks

2. In what competition did a female gymnast
compete a vault who's originator was in the men's competition, and
claimed the first 10.0 in the history of the competition, while the
originator of the vault only scored a 9.30?

'76 American Cup, Nadia Comaneci, Mitsuo Tsukahara.

3. At the 1980 Olympics, a female gymnast attempted a handspring
double-front. What country was she from?

North Korea

4. What vault was Tim Daggett doing when he broke his leg at Rotterdam '87?

Piked Cuervo (his optional vault, not the compulsory, as was
suggested by someone recently).

5. What is the deduction for flashing the wrong vault?

Women: 0.3; Men: no deduction

6. How many Olympic titles did Mitsuo Tsukahara ever win on vault?

None

7. At what meet did Natalia Yurchenko first perform her RO entry Tsuk?

'82 World Cup

8. Who was the first man to do the Yurchenko vault?

Alexei Tikonkikh URS - it was then outlawed for men so he never competed it
in Worlds or Olympics. Vitali Scherbo and Li Jing both started performing the
vault in 1989 when the new code ('92 Oly. code) allowed the Yurchenko family
for men. Jing did it first in Worlds and Scherbo first in major Int'ls.
Vitali *was* the first to do a double in Euros '89 ... he won vault with a
full and double full

9. Who is the gymnast perhap best know for appearing in "blooper" reels as
he slams painfully into the vaulting horse, lifting it from the ground? What
"handicap" does he have?

Brian Meeker, he competed at the University of Minnesota. He is blind in one
eye (his brother put it out with a pellet gun)

10. Bulgaria's only female world champion won that title on vault. Who is
she and when did she win?

Boriana Stoyanova, Budapest '83.

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See you in a few weeks!

Mara

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Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 03:28:18 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Trivia Questions #24 - Vaulting

It's great to see so many people sending in questions for this topic! Thanks
for questions to:

#1 LeeAnn
#2 Cara
#3 Brett
#4 Adriana
#5 Adriana
#6 Lisa
#7 Susan
#8 Susan
#9 Steve
#10 Adriana

Enjoy! Answers tommorow


1. Who was the first female to compete the Yurchenko full vault at the 1992
Olympics?

2. In what competition did a female gymnast
compete a vault who's originator was in the men's competition, and
claimed the first 10.0 in the history of the competition, while the
originator of the vault only scored a 9.30?

3. At the 1980 Olympics, a female gymnast attempted a handspring
double-front. What country was she from?

4. What vault was Tim Daggett doing when he broke his leg at Rotterdam '87?

5. What is the deduction for flashing the wrong vault?

6. How many Olympic titles did Mitsuo Tsukahara ever win on vault?

7. At what meet did Natalia Yurchenko first perform her RO entry Tsuk?

8. Who was the first man to do the Yurchenko vault?

9. Who is the gymnast perhap best know for appearing in "blooper" reels as
he slams painfully into the vaulting horse, lifting it from the ground? What
"handicap" does he have?

10. Bulgaria's only female world champion won that title on vault. Who is
she and when did she win?

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 13:12:20 CST
From: ***@admin.stedwards.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

A couple of questions:

1. Does anyone know Shannon Miller's status on the world champoinship
team? Did Nunno decide to let her compete as a part of the team?

2. What is the format of this competition? I seem to remember reading
somewhere that 7 athletes participate and each country will be allowed
to choose the top five on each event. Does this ring a bell? Will the 1996
Olympics use the same format?


Who do you think will win the women's team title? I predict :

1. Romania
2. Russia
3. USA

Thanks, in advance!

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Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:27:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

> A couple of questions:

> 2. What is the format of this competition? I seem to remember reading
> somewhere that 7 athletes participate and each country will be allowed
> to choose the top five on each event. Does this ring a bell? Will the 1996
> Olympics use the same format?

7 athletes, any 6 compete on each event, and of those 6 scores, the top 5
count toward the team total. Prelims will be C&O, then there will be an
optional-only new-life final.

> Who do you think will win the women's team title? I predict :
>
> 1. Romania
> 2. Russia
> 3. USA

Hard to say, but I'll go with Russia first.


:)
Adriana

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:14:42 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@gateway.us.sidwell.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Adriana wrote (in part):

> > A couple of questions:
>
> > 2. What is the format of this competition? I seem to remember reading
> > somewhere that 7 athletes participate and each country will be allowed
> > to choose the top five on each event. Does this ring a bell? Will the 1996
> > Olympics use the same format?
>
> 7 athletes, any 6 compete on each event, and of those 6 scores, the top 5
> count toward the team total. Prelims will be C&O, then there will be an
> optional-only new-life final.

So does this mean that the teams will *all* go through a C&O prelim, then
*all* go through an optional-only new-life final? Or is it just the top
few teams? What's the point of the prelims then, if they could just do
an optional-only final and probably get close to the same results?

> > Who do you think will win the women's team title? I predict :
> >
> > 1. Romania
> > 2. Russia
> > 3. USA
>
> Hard to say, but I'll go with Russia first.

I think it'll be a fight for the gold between Russia and Romania, and
it's hard to say who'll win. The top few for both countries are just
about as strong; it's the bottom few who will make the difference.
Unlike past years, I don't think the U.S. will be fighting for the gold
(usually it was Soviet Union/CIS-Romania-USA all with the ability to win)
but for a bronze with China.

Lisa
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:50:52 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: US Team to Worlds

On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Lisa wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Adriana wrote (in part):
>
> > > A couple of questions:
> >
> > > 2. What is the format of this competition? I seem to remember reading
> > > somewhere that 7 athletes participate and each country will be allowed
> > > to choose the top five on each event. Does this ring a bell? Will the 1996
> > > Olympics use the same format?
> >
> > 7 athletes, any 6 compete on each event, and of those 6 scores, the top 5
> > count toward the team total. Prelims will be C&O, then there will be an
> > optional-only new-life final.
>
> So does this mean that the teams will *all* go through a C&O prelim, then
> *all* go through an optional-only new-life final? Or is it just the top
> few teams? What's the point of the prelims then, if they could just do
> an optional-only final and probably get close to the same results?

Only the top few teams (is it 6?) will compete in the final. The point
of prelims is to determine which teams will make the final. If they had
only a 6-team final, how would they know which countries to include? Of
course, some of the countries are obvious (RUS, ROM, USA, CHN in women's),
but what about from there? ESP, UKR, AUS, FRA -- which two would you
pick to finish the field? Even if the field were limited to 4, would
you include UKR or CHN? Anyway, it's just the same as with the last
several individual Worlds.

:)
Adriana

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