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Thu, 23 Feb 95 Volume 3 :
Issue 73
Today's
Topics:
2 vaults (2 msgs)
A Couple of Questions
American Classic (4 msgs)
American Classic Comments (2 msgs)
American Classic Postscript
(3 msgs)
American Classic senior comments
American Cup prelims question
Autobiography (2 msgs)
beam flight series (2 msgs)
CAL/STANFORD/UCSB (4 msgs)
cal beating stanford
competition
conrad
Hi
New
England Championships, Mens's NCAA, March 4 @ MIT (2 msgs)
Photos
Reposting Bogi ?
Shannon's routines
the slip-grip historical note to what Adriana wrote...
UGA-UF-UM
Tri-meet
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:46:01 EST
From: ***@prodigy.com
Subject: 2
vaults
I think this is something new for this year, where they give you
bonus
if you do two different vaults and one is an
E .....something like
that.....it
just started this year. LYnn
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:51:47 EST
From: ***@prodigy.com
Subject: 2
vaults
I think they started something new this year where if the
gymnast does
two different vaults and one of them is an E they get bonus
,or
something like that ...If the vault or dismount
is an E and they stick
the landing....then they
also can get bonus for the stick! Lynn
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:52:11 EST
From: ***@expert.cc.purdue.edu
Subject: A
Couple of Questions
Someone mentioned a while back or I heard
somewhere that Dominique
had injured her
foot. My grandmother just sent me
an article in
from the Feb. 15 (I think) USA Today
that said it was a stress
fracture but that she
would probably be competing in Paris next
month. I don't recall seeing a meet scheduled
for over there,
but I could be wrong. Does this mean that she is not
competing
in the American Cup as well?
Also,
has anyone heard from / about Michelle Campi
lately?
Or, better yet, Michelle, are you out there and how is
your recovery going?
Lori
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Date:
Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:11:46 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@calvin.linfield.edu
Subject:
American Classic
My apologies if the answer to this has already been
posted but does
anyone know if/when the American
Classic will be televised?
Sarah
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:46:09 +0600
From: ***@scoter.cdev.com
Subject:
American Classic
>
> My apologies if the answer to this has
already been posted but does
> anyone know
if/when the American Classic will be televised?
>
> Sarah
It
is not listed in the calendar that I distributed last month.
I picked up
USAG's latest event schedule from Delphi last week
but
I haven't looked at it yet. Maybe something is listed in
there.
I'll check it tonight.
--John
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 95 15:23 PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: American
Classic
You are not going to believe this, but Shannon Miller had the
best
chaine turns in the
FX compulsory.. they were beautiful.. way better
than Bogys... when she performed them, a friend of mine (former
ballet
dancer) and I both exclaimed simultaneously
"Those were so good!!!"
Strange things were afoot at Oakland,
CA...
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:30:36 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject:
American Classic
> You are not going to believe this, but Shannon
Miller had the best
> chaine
turns in the FX compulsory.. they were beautiful.. way better
> than Bogys... when she performed them, a friend of mine (former
ballet
> dancer) and I both exclaimed
simultaneously "Those were so good!!!"
>
> Strange
things were afoot at Oakland, CA...
I don't
have a bit of trouble believing this.
Bogi's style may be
artistic
and beautiful and her presence may be impressive, but she's never
been balletish. Shannon's dance technique is really very
good and she's
always had a much more conventional
style, so I think chaines would suit
her much better.
I find the compulsory pretty
hideous though.
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:47:25 EST
From: ***@expert.cc.purdue.edu
Subject:
American Classic Comments
First of all, thanks to everyone for all the
American Classic updates.
Those of us who are stuck in front of our
computers really appreciate it!
I have a bunch of comments and
questions on all the American Classic
stuff that
has been going around. I will try
to attribute everything
to the right person but I
won't promise everything.
>From ***@aol.com Sun Feb 19 23:29:55
1995
>>I'm sorry I didn't see Gail Kachura
or Kinsey Rowe on beam. Maybe
>>
someone else can comment on their routines?
>
>Gail
(from the Virigina and not the Austin
"Capital") had a *huge* double
>layout
to 2 feet out of FF, LO step-out combo and a generally clean and
>difficult set. Kinsey (tallest ever Cypress kid) had the
same combo I think
>(LO legs together seems popular and these two did it
best) and a running
>front among other things
for the highest beam score of the day (Jr. that is).
>Someone tried a double front
off BB but missed.
A *double* layout off or on beam? The description sounds like it was
a
skill done on beam but I can't imagine that is
correct. A double layout
off beam is still pretty impressive.
From: ***@rmii.com
>The girls who made the Pan Am team are Miller, Borden, Chow, Powell
>(four seniors) and Moceanu, Teft, and Thompson
(three juniors). They
Quite
a few of these gymnast are invited to compete in the
American Cup
and, I would assume, the Mixed Pairs
Competition. Are they all
waiting
until after those competitions do head to
Argentina for the Pan Am Games?
I saw that Miller may not attend but I
would think there would be
conflicts with some of
the others as well.
Also, it's good to hear that Shannon has
finally changed her routines
around a bit and even
better to hear that she has added more difficulty
into
her floor routine (and others as well).
Hopefully, she and the
other older Seniors
can hang on until the Olympics.
Lori
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:30:06 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: American
Classic Comments
>A *double* layout off or on beam? The description sounds like it was
a
>skill done on beam but I can't imagine that
is correct. A double layout
>off beam is still pretty impressive.
Of course I
meant a *layout* and my fingers just typed along ahead of me ...
Oops!
-Susan
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Date: Wed, 22
Feb 1995 10:34:17 -0500
From: ***@orl.mmc.com
Subject: American Classic
Postscript
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
FYI
I found out last night that Mohini Bhardwaj is an alternate to the Pan Am
Team. They did
not want to publicise it too much, but the general
consensus is that Shannon will NOT be attending. Since 8th & 9th place are
both juniors, Mo
becomes the alternate.
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:50:34 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@rmii.com
Subject:
American Classic Postscript
|
|FYI I found out last night that Mohini Bhardwaj is an alternate
to the Pan Am
|Team. They did not want to publicise
it too much, but the general consensus is that Shannon will NOT be attending.
Since 8th & 9th place are both juniors, Mo
| becomes
the alternate.
Well, two things, just for the record (fwiw), in the post-competition
interview,
Shannon Miller said she didn't know if she'd be competing
at Pan Am Games or not.
(Quotes to the press are certainly not
absolute
truths, naturally. ;)
But
more importantly, if Miller didn't go to Pan Ams, the
next gymnast
in line is Jaycie
Phelps, who is 8th and is a senior.
She'll be 16 in
September.
Rachele
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:29:50 -0500
From: ***@orl.mmc.com
Subject: American
Classic Postscript
|------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
>>But
more importantly, if Miller didn't go to Pan Ams, the
next gymnast
>>in line is Jaycie Phelps, who is 8th and is a senior. She'll be 16 in
>>September.
No.
Mo has been named as the Pan Am alternate according to Rita Brown.
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:43:01 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
Subject:
American Classic senior comments
I was just wondering - what is the
point value of the Hristakieva now?
I'm glad it
was devalued, because although it has a blind landing, I
didn't think it was fair that vaults with 1 or 1 1/2 more
twists should
have the same starting value.
That's why the Yurchenko full was devalued,
right?! I also want to know - what other skills were
devalued?
Beth =]
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Date: Wed, 22
Feb 1995 22:37:36 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: American Cup prelims
question
This question is for anyone who has attended an American Cup prelims. How
long
does the preliminary competition usually last? I'm trying to figure out
how late I'll be out that night. Any input is appreciated, thanks.---Brian
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:33:04 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@vpl.vancouver.bc.ca
Subject:
Autobiography
Hello to all Gymn
readers:
Just thought I'd introduce myself. My name's Lorraine and I've just
joined this group.
I'm so happy I found it. I'm
not a former gymnast
(unless you want to count
some lessons in high school - longer ago than I
care
to remember), but I've been a die-hard fan for more than twenty years.
I
follow the international scene very closely, and I like to collect
videos of major meets.
I first became interested when I saw Olga Korbut
at the 1972 Olympics, and I've been hooked ever
since :-).
Currently, my favourite gymnasts
are Elena Piskun, Lilia Podkopayeva
and
particularly Svetlana Khorkina
- I think she's the best thing to happen
to
women's gymnastics in years. I find
most of the Romanians to be
clones of one
another, although the youngster Alexandra Marinescu
looks
very promising - a lovely, elegant
style.
I'm a skating fan
too (and a very enthusiastic newbie skater :-) ), but
gymnastics will always be No. 1 with me. I'm going down to Seattle next
week to see the American Cup and Mixed Pairs. Can't wait!
I'm really looking
forward to reading this group.
Take care,
Lorraine
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:59:42 -0600 (CST)
From: ***@ttacs1.ttu.edu
Subject:
autobiography
Hello! My
name is Misti and I have recently joined the gymn group. I
am 21
years old and presently attend Texas Tech
University in Lubbock, Texas. I am
a
junior business major origianlly
from the Dallas area. I have
competed what
use to be USGF, and also AGA for 5
years. I coached and judged
gymnastics for
2 years before attending college.
Since going away
to college I have coached at Karolyi's summer
camps. In the
Fall of 1994 we
started a gymnastics club at Texas Tech University. I am
presently
the sec/treas and we are doing fairly well. We compete against TCU,
ACU, A&M, UT and SWTS. I have also been able to travel to
Russia with my
ballet professor, which was an awesom experience.
I love to sit around and whatch gymnastics tapes over and over again, as well
as helping out with routines and such. I plan to get my level 5&6
judging
certification within the next year. After graduation I plan to continue
judging, and would like to coach at a gym either part or
full time.
I love the sport of gymnastics very much, and enjoy
learning everything
possible about it. I have already appreciated the news I
have been hearing the
past week about competitions
and such. I look forward to hearing
more!
Misti
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:36:03 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: beam flight
series
Hi, my name is Courtney and I'm a level 8 in MD. I have a sort
of odd
question about a flight series. Would a backhandspring splashdown (a
backhandspring where you sort of arch and land
straddled on the beam)
connected to a backward
roll be a valid series, or does the connection have
to
be from your feet. I've asked my
coaches and two judges, and nobody seems
to know
the answer. I'd really like to know
since I think this would be a
really original
flight series. Thanks,
Courtney
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Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995
17:15:06 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: beam
flight series
> Hi, my name is Courtney and I'm a level 8 in MD. I
have a sort of odd
> question about a flight
series. Would a backhandspring splashdown (a
>
backhandspring where you
sort of arch and land straddled on the beam)
> connected
to a backward roll be a valid series, or does the connection have
> to be from your feet.
I've asked my coaches and two judges, and nobody seems
> to know the answer.
I'd really like to know since I think this would be a
> really original flight series. Thanks,
> Courtney
Courtney--
The series you're describing may not
count. In the Code, what matters is
not whether it's from your feet, but whether
*both* of the elements of the
series are *flight*
elements. In your series, only one
element is a flight
element.
However,
this is the rule in the FIG Code (in other words, the elite
Code). **There might be a different rule for
Level 8's.**
There is a
handbook that says what changes
from the FIG Code are made for the
different
levels, but I don't have a copy handy.
Also, just because it
wouldn't count for
the flight series requirement doesn't mean you can't
put
it in your routine. You would just
have to have another series in
there that did
fulfill the requirement. You could
do that by adding a
flight element before your backhandspring splashdown. For example, you
might
do backhandspring-backhandspring splashdown-backward
roll (or back
extension, if you can do one, also
looks very pretty. I've seen this
done before, but it's more unusual now that it
isn't a valid series [it
used to be under an old
Code]).
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:10:44 -0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject:
CAL/STANFORD/UCSB
Here's an update on that release skill I was telling
you about, but
described rather poorly.
>From
a Stalder, on the upswing, you essentially do a front
salto, regrasping
(or at least attempting to regrasp!)
the bar behind you. not sure what
you
could do out of it. Maybe a front giant. Seems like a high risk
move. The
regrasp is totally blind.
Someone in the gym
called it a "Voor"-something or other.
The
fellow attempting it was from Stanford.
I had said he was from CAL.
-George
p.s.
Re: Cal beating Stanford: Rachele is correct. Cal beat Stanford at
least once last year.
I believe it was twice.
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:27:36 PST
From: ***@geoworks.com
Subject:
CAL/STANFORD/UCSB
> >From a Stalder,
on the upswing, you essentially do a front salto, regrasping
> (or at least
attempting to regrasp!) the
bar behind you. not
sure what you
> could do out of it. Maybe a front giant. Seems like a high risk
move. The
> regrasp is totally blind.
>
> Someone in the gym called it a "Voor"-something
or other.
>
> The fellow attempting it was from Stanford. I had said he was from CAL.
I believe this is
probably from a toe-on, toe-off instead of a
stalder, but it could have been I suppose.
Conrad Voorsanger (sp?) was a Stanford
gymnast a number of years
back that did this
move.
Dave
Litwin
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 21:44:56 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject:
CAL/STANFORD/UCSB
> From a Stalder, on
the upswing, you essentially do a front salto, regrasping
> (or at least
attempting to regrasp!) the
bar behind you. not
sure what you
> could do out of it. Maybe a front giant. Seems like a high risk
move. The
> regrasp is totally blind.
>
> Someone in the gym called it a "Voor"-something
or other.
Ahhh, here we go -- you're
referring to a "Voorhanger", the somewhat
cutesy name for the skill done by Conrad Voorsanger of Stanford. I know
he
definitely went to Stanford, not Iowa as someone suggested, because
he and I were teammates "a number of years back",
as David Litwin put it,
making
me feel old. ;) Conrad did do it
out of a toe-on, as David
said, but it could just
as well be done from a Stalder. In fact, we had
a
discussion last fall or spring about this skill done out of a giant --
the Xiao Ruizhi (aka Marinich).
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:58:29 -0500
From: ***@pharm.med.upenn.edu
Subject:
CAL/STANFORD/UCSB
>
>> From a Stalder,
on the upswing, you essentially do a front salto, regrasping
>> (or at
least attempting to regrasp!) the
bar behind you. not
sure what you
>> could do out of it. Maybe a front giant. Seems like a high risk
move. The
>> regrasp is totally blind.
>>
>>
Someone in the gym called it a "Voor"-something
or other.
>
>Ahhh, here we go -- you're
referring to a "Voorhanger", the
somewhat
>cutesy name for the skill done by
Conrad Voorsanger of Stanford. I know
>he
definitely went to Stanford, not Iowa as someone suggested, because
>he and I were teammates "a number of years back",
as David Litwin put it,
>making
me feel old. ;) Conrad did do it
out of a toe-on, as David
>said, but it could
just as well be done from a Stalder. In fact, we had
>a discussion last fall or spring about this skill done out
of a giant --
>the Xiao Ruizhi
(aka Marinich).
>
>:)
>Adriana
Sorry,
about the incorrect call on Conrad's school --(Rachele
also noted
that I had the wrong school) so -- I put the question out there a person
from
Iowa about 5 years ago -- really big guy, I remember him as having
white hair (like Lief Carlson from
Minn.) used to wear black arm bands
(looks NOTHING
like Conrad Voorsanger from Stan.) was
good on strength on
rings, couldn't swing for
anything -- anyone know his name. I
am thinking
that it must either have a V in it or
be something like Conrad for me to
make these
connections --- because there is
not another similarity
anywhere
I
actually lost sleep over this burning question so I would appreciate any
help that can be offered.
Thanks
Mayland
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:40:28 -0800 (PST)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: cal beating stanford
>
> p.s. Re: Cal beating Stanford: Rachele is correct.
Cal beat Stanford at
> least once last
year. I believe it was twice.
I missed most of the season last
year.
Prior to last year, when was the last time CAL won
?
Will George & Dave be at Stanford this Saturday
?
How bout "Chops" ?
-texx
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:15:57 +0100
From: ***@lthmalmo.malmo.lth.se
Subject:
competition
I just want the inform that Sweden are going to meet Skotland in a
competition in Skotland next Saturday (4 march) . I can assure you
that Sweden are going to win that battle very easily . If you are in
another
opinion or you what more information about this -- just write
to me !!
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 20:33:33 -0500
From: ***@pharm.med.upenn.edu
Subject: conrad
I was thinking
that conrad f4was from
Iowa not stanford I al.
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 22:58:31 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@clark.net
Subject:
Hi
Hi there! This is just
a quick introduction, requested in
the
"Welcome to Gymn" message I received. I've
been reading
messages for about a week now and
have seen other
introductions, so I guess they
meant it!
I'm a former gymnast (sort of adv. beginner, but
many many years ago!), love the
sport, may not post here often but will
really
truly enjoy being able to read the posts here and keep
up
with what's happening while I wait for IG magazine... thanks!
Judy
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 95 14:34:24 -0500
From: ***@perfit.ZKO.DEC.Com
Subject: New
England Championships, Mens's NCAA, March 4 @
MIT
The New England Championships are going to be March 4 at 1:00 pm
at MIT in
Cambridge, MA. I'm
not sure of the teams competing, but UMass will be there,
probably Vermont, MIT, Southern Conn, maybe Springfield and
others.
Look for UMass to win, with exceptional ring work from Kevin
Schwartz and
vaulting (also all-around) from Russ
Shupak.
I'll be there, anyone else?
Steve
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:30:54 EST
From: ***@MIT.EDU
Subject: New England
Championships, Mens's NCAA, March 4 @ MIT
I'm
competing in the New England Championships
The teams that will be
there are:
MIT, U.Mass, Vermont, Southern
Conn,
Springfield, Dartmouth, and an individual from BU
Chris
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:16:30 -0500
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Photos
Hi
everyone....
Its seems that I may have spoken
out a little early about the photos on AOL.
They seem to be having problems
excepting work from professional
photographers! They are very antsy about copyrights and
such.............
If anyone would like some photos, find out how I can
send them directly
across the net to an individual
and we will get some out.....
Sorry about all the earlier confussion.
Jim and Lori
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Date:
Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:47:22 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject:
Reposting Bogi ?
> Seems my original posting only reached
a few, so I'll try again:
> I was just wondering why Boginskia
was competing at the American Classic--is
> she
now a member of the U.S team? I was
also wondering if anyone knew when
> Kim Zmeskal
would make her first comeback apperence? Some people have told
> me she has put on some weight, but the last time I saw her
on T.V. in
> January, she looked normal--besides, at '4"9, five
pounds would show up on
> her. I have confidence she'll make it to
Atlanta!
>
I'm sure there are others on Gymn
who know more, but since I haven't
seen a
response, I'll just say that Boginskaya is not a
member of the US
team, but she's working on a
comeback and I suppose she was at Classic
for the
competition experience. Or maybe
she got an appearance fee :), I
dunno...
Don't
know when Kim will finally compete; I think she's pulled out of a
couple of meets (supposedly due to injuries, but that's been
disputed,
hasn't it? I'm thinking of the
jammed-or-maybe-it-wasn't thumb).
On a non-gym topic but related and
has me *very* sad, Greg Louganis
announced he has
AIDS (yes, AIDS, not just HIV+).
Finally, sorry for the personal
content, but Dave Pearlstein, I don't have
your
address -- how can I switch sabb-l to this
account?
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:56:47 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@bingsuns.cc.binghamton.edu
Subject:
Shannon's routines
I've read many people's messages about Shannon's
new and improved
routines. I'd appreciate it if
someone could describe the new skills she
put in.
Also what's her new floor routine music like and what are
her
tumbling passes? Thanks!!
Beth
=]
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Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995
23:46:54 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@minerva.cis.yale.edu
Subject: the
slip-grip historical note to what Adriana wrote...
> >
>
> > The
gymnast was long-time Italian national team member Giula
> > > Volpi. She performed a
full-pirouette on HB, slip-grip to straddle-back
> > > to handstand on LB. The judges did not know whether to give
her credit
> > > for immediate sequence
of full pir. to
straddle-back hs.
> >
> > Hmm... I guess this means she didn't do it in compulsories
then? Or that
> > the judges didn't have a problem with it in
compulsories?
>
> From
what I read she did it in optionals, because the
judges had
> a debate as to whether or not to
reward the two tricks as consecutive.
> I'll review my magazine next
time I'm home in Tucson (a couple of weeks,
> probably....)
>
Besides, I don't think
there was a slip-grip in compulsories
> then,
was there? Not officially, tho there was the
"extended
> combination".
There
wasn't a slip-grip officially then, but everyone did it anyway.
That's why I'm wondering whether
there's one officially now.
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:22:51 -0500 (EST)
From: ***@suvax1.stetson.edu
Subject:
UGA-UF-UM Tri-meet
Hi!
Is anyone going to the Georgia - Florida
- Michigan tri-meet in Athens, GA
on Friday? I am going to Mardi Gras
this weekend and won't be able to
attend the
meet. Can someone provide me with a
run-down of how the meet
goes? Ron? Raul? Deanna? Thanks a lot. Let the good times roll!
Mike
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