GYMN-L Digest - 25 Jun 1995 to 26 Jun 1995

There are 14 messages totalling 464 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Results on WWW pages
2. Eurosport address in the UK
3. Rhythmic European Cup EF
4. Sorry
5. US-UKR women (2)
6. Arthur Gander
7. Question
8. Budget Rent-a-Car (5)
9. CBC

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Date: Sun, 25 Jun 1995 23:16:27 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Results on WWW pages

| Sorry, I finally found the GYMN homepage, and I didn't see the USA/UKR
| results. Could someone please post the results here, one last time?

Jennifer and others...

The scores *are* available on the WWW pages. Follow the links in this
order:

1. Gymn homepage
2. Back issues (in the "What is Gymn?" section)
3. Recent Digests
4. 06.18.95

The 4th links will pull up the Jun 18th digest which has both sets of
scores in them.

When time permits, I will separate out the scores and list them under
"Results" on the web pages to make them more accessible, but until I
have the time, they are still available to those who have the patience
to read through a digest.

Of course, also, "when I have the time," I will be revising the web
pages, getting the first rough draft of the faq (ask Debbie if she
believes me), etc etc -- but right now I'm pushing hard at work and I
just don't have the time I normally do to devote to Gymn.

Rachele (who is having all four wisdom teeth pulled this friday, sigh)

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:45:35 MET
From: ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Eurosport address in the UK

European Television Network
ETVN
W.H. Smith Ltd.,
The Quadrangle
180, Wardour Street
London W1V 4AE



tel: +44 171 439-1177
fax: + 44 171 439 1415
no email address mentioned


Source: The Europa World Year Book 1994
Volume II

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 10:21:20 BST
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Rhythmic European Cup EF

Rhythmic European Cup 1995
===========================

24/25 June, 1995. Telford, England

Event Finals
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Rope
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=1. Larissa Lukianenko (BLR) 9.925
=1. Ekaterina Serebrianskaya (UKR) 9.925
=3. Jana BAtyrchina (RUS) 9.875
=3. Amina Zaripova (RUS) 9.875
5. Elena Vitrichenko (UKR) 9.850
6. Maria Gateva (BUL) 9.825

Ball
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=1. Larissa Lukianenko (BLR) 9.950
=1. Olga Gontar (BLR) 9.950
3. Jana Batyrchina (RUS) 9.925
4. Ekaterina Serebrianskaya (UKR) 9.900
5. Elena Vitrichenko (UKR) 9.300
6. Amina Zaripova (RUS) 9.100

Clubs
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1. Ekaterina Serebrianskaya (UKR) 9.950
=2. Jana Batrychina (RUS) 9.900
=2. Amina Zaripova (RUS) 9.900]
=2. Elena Vitrichenko (UKR) 9.900
5. Olga Gontar (BLR) 9.825
6. Larissa Lukianenko (BLR) 9.725

Ribbon
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=1. Jana Batyrchina (RUS) 9.950
=1. Amina Zaripova (RUS) 9.950
3. Elena Vitrichenko (UKR) 9.825
=4. Maria Gateva (BUL) 9.750
=4. Ekaterina Serebrianskaya (UKR) 9.750
6. Olga Gontar (BLR) 9.450


There are only six competitors on each apparatus so these are the complete
scores. Interesting to note that there are only a total of seven different
gymnasts competing on the four pieces.

The most consistent gymnast of the day was Russia's dynamite Jana
Batrychina, who won gold on ribbon, silver on clubs, and bronzes on rope
and ball, to add to the silver she won in the All-Around on Saturday. She
was surprised when she got the high score of 9.950 for her ribbon exercise
to win that apparatus with fellow countrywoman Zaripova.

The standards were generally high, except dropped balls from both Zaripova
and Vitrichenko. They both failed to catch the ball off a throw and had to
run outside the floor area to retrieve the situation.

Lukianenko managed to win the first two apparatus, but a dropped club
kept her out of the clubs medal podium.

Serebrianskaya had a mixed day, winning two pieces but out of the medals
on the other two. I didn't see anything majorly wrong with her routines
which got her low scores though...

That's all for the rhythmic European Cup. This coming weekend there's
going to be the British National artistic Championships taking place
in Guildford, England.

Sherwin

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 09:43:33 EDT
From: ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject: Re: Sorry

> Georgia and Alabama fans don't have the corner market on "uncivil" behavior
> at gymnastics meets!
>
> NCAA Womens championships, 1995, UTAH fans laugh when Julie Ballard of
> Georgia falls from the BEAM!
>
> The more popular gymnastics becomes the more the fans will start to act like
> football fans! In fact, these probably were football fans. But you will
> notice that it was not the parents of the gymnasts that were behaving in an
> "uncivil" manner. We parents all hang out together and wish all the kids
> luck.
>
> But please remember that its just not Georgia and Alabama, its all the
> schools.
>
> Georgia's team mother,
> Lori

So far, we haven't been that fortunate here at N.C. State. We hosted
the ACC Championships this year in our Reynolds Coliseum. There are
only four schools in the gymnastic ACC, but one of the other schools
besides us is our BIGTIME rival, UNC. I was surprised to see no bashing
or booing by the other schools. We all more or less just yelled for our
respective universities. I really hope that gymnastics here doesn't
become as ugly as some places, but it may be only a matter of time.

--Brent

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 08:07:13 -0700
From: ***@VPL.VANCOUVER.BC.CA
Subject: Re: US-UKR women

> I, too, am glad we'll be seeing the men, but would like to see the women
> too. But I was thinking... The USGF used to tape the US-USSR dual meets and
> sell the videos. Does anyone know if USAG taped the women's competition of the
> US-UKR meet? If not, there's GOT to be someone out there who did; there were
> definitely people in the stands with video cameras. Hopefully some of them are
> on gymn! OR - this is for you David - could NBC put together a video of the
> women's competition and sell it like the "America's Best" videos? I have no
> doubt there'd be a market! :)

I too am terribly disappointed that NBC didn't show the women's events.
But I wouldn't hold out too much hope of NBC putting out a video of the
competition. In March, a friend and I went down to Seattle for the
American Cup and Mixed Pairs. The network taped both meets in their
entirety, even though they certainly didn't televise the whole thing.
After the competition, we walked up to an NBC technician, and asked if
there was any way we could obtain a video of the whole competition. He
said no, that the network didn't plan to do that. We pointed out that
there would probably be a market, and he replied that this had been
broached to the network before and that they just weren't interested :-(.

Which makes me wonder why they bother taping the whole competition in the
first place. Does anybody know what happens to this stuff? Does it just
sit in a tape library somewhere collecting dust? Seems a terrible waste.

Lorraine

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 13:17:46 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Arthur Gander

Here are some VERY brief results I got from Sovetsky Sport for June 22.

Men's AA: 1. Grigory Misyutin - 57.8
2. Valery Belenky - 57.15
3. Yuri Chechi - 56.
o
Women's AA: 1. Lavinia Milosevici - 39.162
2. Yelena Piskun - 39.100
3. Oksana Chusovitina - 38.975

I was happy to see Misyutin could bounce back from his disappointing 6th
at European Cup and beat Belenky and Chechi, who were 2-3 there (don't know if
Shabayev was at Arthur Gander). For anyone who hasn't figured it out yet, he's
(Misyutin) my favorite gymnast! :) Note to Sherwin - will this competition be
aired on Eurosport or ANY channel in Europe?
The article mentions NO Russians, so maybe no one went. It does mention
that neither Milo nor Chussy competed in European Cup, and the author seemed
pleased with Piskun's finish. I was VERY impressed with her during ABC's
coverage of Euro Cup. She just seems to improve with every meet! A great
inspiration to all gymnasts who don't have the traditional pencil-thin body
type. :)

Beth

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:00:44 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Question

Does the Gymnastics Hall of Fame in Souther Cal. have the Olumouc tape?
They should, if anyone does!



Jeff

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:50:59 -0700
From: ***@MCN.ORG
Subject: Re: Budget Rent-a-Car

>The one thing I was really happy about reguarding NBC's coverage of the U.S.
>vs. Ukranian meet today was that Elfi S. was there comenting with Tim
>Daggett. I have gotten really upset in the past when Tim helped cover both,
>but Elfi was only there for the women. Finally, equality!!!
>
>Ann Marie
>
I seem to remember several meets where Elfi commentated on men's gymnastics,
as well as Kathy Johnson Clark (as she's now known). And I don't think it's
necessarily sexism that's behind the decision to have both commentators on
women's coverage. I would hypothesize that it's the fact that women's
coverage draws a larger audience so they spend the money to have both
commentators because they feel it's more complete, and if there going to
skimp anywhere it'll be on men's. There also may be other reasons that have
nothing to do with the fact that Elfi is female. In any case, I think it's
silly to say that gymnastics coverage is unfairly biased towards men! For
once a meet get's covered more for the men and there are complaints all over.

It would be great if the USA/UKR women's competition were covered better,
but at least it's better than the men's nationals got last year (Here's
Scott on the rings. He won. Bye).

MHO,
Orion Burdick

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 15:31:13 -0700
From: ***@VPL.VANCOUVER.BC.CA
Subject: Re: Budget Rent-a-Car

> The one thing I was really happy about reguarding NBC's coverage of the U.S.
> vs. Ukranian meet today was that Elfi S. was there comenting with Tim
> Daggett. I have gotten really upset in the past when Tim helped cover both,
> but Elfi was only there for the women. Finally, equality!!!

When she was doing commentary for Canadian TV, Elfi Schlegal routinely
covered both men's & women's events. Maybe she finally convinced NBC
that she could handle both - good for her. I don't know if she's still
working for CBC. The last couple of meets they've televised had another
women doing commentary. Anybody know if she still works for CBC as well?

Lorraine

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 19:14:07 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Re: Budget Rent-a-Car

I certainly don't want to complain, because it was great to see
the men get the attention they deserve. I am curious, however,
as to why NBC didn't split the competition into two pieces.
Women's gymnastics tends to get higher ratings than men's,
so if the network thinks it's worthwhile to do a show of
the men, why not also do one of the women? (After all,
they've already paid for it!)

In any event, many thanks to NBC for showing us the guys :-),
even if many of them were having really bad days :-(.
And Mirgorodskaya's bars routine was neat.

Curiously,

>>Kathy

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:23:15 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Budget Rent-a-Car

<<I think it's silly to say that gymnastics coverage is unfairly biased
toward men>>

I certainly wasn't implying sexism, it's just that in all the coverage I have
with Elfi on NBC on tape (over 15 hours) she's never once commented on the
men. I was talking about the times when both Elfi and Tim were covering the
women, and then they went to the men, and just Tim was there. Maybe it was
only because it was limited coverage, but to me it was blatanly obvious.
Sorry, but that's how I saw it--maybe I'm wrong...No big deal! It was one
of the few highlights of the comp. for me.

Ann Marie

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 20:26:53 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: US-UKR women

Reguarding the comments by one of the Gymn members as to why NBC taped the
American Cup but didn't sell a copy:

They did. It's the new one, "Superstars of Gymnastics." I posted something
about it a couple months ago when I received mine. I was upset because I
thought it would be a collection of all of the U.S. greats, but is instead
the A.C. meet.

Ann Marie

P.S. I hope that NBC sells an Olympic gymnastics video--I sure wish that had
for Barcelona! However, I PRAY they buy the floor music rights--it ruins
floor for me when they dub the music!!! :(

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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 18:52:04 -0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: CBC

>
>> The one thing I was really happy about reguarding NBC's coverage of the U.S.
>> vs. Ukranian meet today was that Elfi S. was there comenting with Tim
>> Daggett. I have gotten really upset in the past when Tim helped cover both,
>> but Elfi was only there for the women. Finally, equality!!!
>
>When she was doing commentary for Canadian TV, Elfi Schlegal routinely
>covered both men's & women's events. Maybe she finally convinced NBC
>that she could handle both - good for her. I don't know if she's still
>working for CBC. The last couple of meets they've televised had another
>women doing commentary. Anybody know if she still works for CBC as well?


As far as I know, Elfi now works for NBC only.

The "woman doing commentary" for CBC now is Carol Orchard. Carol is one of the
head coaches at Sport Seneca in Toronto (she also has teaching and
administrative
duties at the college). Carol has coached many well-known athletes such
as Monica Covacci, Leah Homma, and Luisa Portocarrero ... to name a few.

So far, she has done Dortmund Worlds and '95 Nationals for CBC and may I
say she has done a great job. She brings a unique and interesting approach
to commentating. Since she's a coach (rather than a gymnast like most
commentators) she has obviously had more technical, biomechanical, and
sport psychology education than a gymnast would. However, she's talks
at a very down-to-earth level and also keeps her own personal opinions
to a minimum.

Keep up the good work Carol!

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DORY --- the guy from Canada
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Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 21:00:02 EDT
From: ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Re: Budget Rent-a-Car


When she was doing commentary for Canadian TV, Elfi Schlegal
routinely
covered both men's & women's events. Maybe she finally convinced
NBC
that she could handle both - good for her. I don't know if she's
still
working for CBC. The last couple of meets they've televised had
another
women doing commentary. Anybody know if she still works for CBC as
well?

I don't believe she is any longer. Carol Angela Orchard more or less
took over for Elfi this past year, commentating for World's in
Germany and Canadian Nationals. Carol is one of only a handful of
NCCP Level 5 coaches in Canada and has been coaching for many years
here in Toronto at Sport Seneca, coaching such athletes as Luisa
Portocarrero, Leah Homma, and Monica Covacci. She is also one of the
teachers in the coaching techniques program here at Seneca. One
difference I like in her commentary compared to Elfi's is that she's
a little more critical of routines, rather than always ignoring whats
wrong. In a way I guess it can be a little more of a learning
experience for the viewer. Anyways, as far as I know Carol has
basically replaced Elfi who is now raking in the big bucks down south.

-=-al-=-

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