gymn
Digest
Mon, 26 Sep 94 Volume 3 :
Issue 21
Today's
Topics:
'95 US National Site Choosen (2 msgs)
A little of everything
Boguinskaya arrives in Houston (2 msgs)
Brandy
Johnson & Maxi Gnauck
British Nationals Results
JUNIOR PAN AM GAMES
Mary Lou etc./AGACHE
Messages
SOME COMMENTS
Sydney, 2000
This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu
mailing list.
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Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:40:08 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: '95 US National
Site Choosen
>The champiosnhips
will be held in the New Orleans Saints normal home the
Superdome (sounds
awfully lg. for a gymn meet)
I would imagine
they'll divide it into sections, with one end for the
meet
and the rest for warm-ups, TV people and such. That's what they did with the
Hoosier
Dome at Pan Ams in '87 (the middle section housed two
practice gyms
and the opposite end hosted team
handball) and at Worlds in '91.
Adriana
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Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 94 22:55:21 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: '95 US National
Site Choosen
>I would imagine they'll divide it into sections, with one end for the
meet
and the rest for warm-ups, TV people and
such. That's what they did with
the
Hoosier Dome at Pan Ams in '87<
Yes
Adriana I know, but they couldn't even fill *half* the Hoosier Dome
(roughly the same size as the Superdome) for a World
Championships (and those
were the largest &
loudest gymn crowds I've ever seen) and while the
crowds
were "okay" - I'd say 3/4 or so
full on the average - in Nashville
for the
big ticket nights (SR. W optional AA &
EF) for the Jr.s and Men there was
*nobody* there. When you see an almost empty stadium for a
major event it
sure doesn't inspire confidence in
the quality of that event now does it? I
think
that gymn does much better in small arenas where even
a small crowd can
make a little noise (gymn tends to be rather deathly quiet if you've never
been to an Int'l meet - except for the Swiss ;-) and get the
athletes going.
Susan
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Date:
Sat, 24 Sep 94 22:03:52 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: A little of
everything
>Of course that was right after Agache
(on jet-lag medication) missed a
giant.. yes a giant..
Let us not forget that the bars were
really close together in '84 -- *much*
more
difficult to do giants that way.
That's why most of them were so archy.
Many of the gymnasts still did routines
on their beat size, which means the
space they had
to get between the bars was the distance from their hands to
their hips. I
can never get over the fact that some of them did Tkatchevs
on
that size (MLR included).
On full-ins:
wasn't Julius' question as to who besides MLR did one was
referring to USA's in '83, not '84 or the '84 Olympics?
I
occassionally get duplicates of other people's
messages, but not of mine
and not any blank
ones.
>look at all the skaters out
there...some are in their late twenties early
thirty
and can still do the double and tripple jumps....how
many people in
their late twenties do you know
that can do a double layout or a full in for
that
matter....<
Wouldn't that have more to do with the type of skill
than with the
difficulty? Look at other sports. The last time Carl Lewis set a
world
record in the 100 he was in his early
thirties, and all the rest of them, men
and women,
peak around mid to late twenties.
Yet running 100 meters in 10 (a
little less
for men, a little more for women) seconds is right up there with
double-doubles.
>Can moves in gymnastics be
named (in the sport) for people in "other"
sports?
I
don't know, but a few weeks ago I was watching the aerobics Worlds, and
the
commentator kept referring to what we in gym
call a Shushunova as just that
-- a Shushunova. I think the commentator might have been
Julianne, which
would explain it. Anyway, I was amused (I wonder what
Shush. would think
<g>). Btw, cheesy as it was, they did some
really cool stuff.
>I always thought having a baby would be the end
of gymn for me, and I'm glad
it
wasn't
Do you guys remember Dudeva at that
professional thing a couple of years ago?
She had a 2-year-old and was still doing
whip to double pike and generally
looked just
great.
>I think the offical requirement
is that a move be competed at Worlds (any)
and/or
the Olympics.
Just to add to this, which is basically correct, the
move must be competed
*successfully* (at the
moment I can't remember what that means -- whether
just
without a fall or without 0.2 or more in deductions).
:)
Adriana
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Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 94 12:30:35 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Boguinskaya arrives in Houston
>From Dallas
Morning News:
Svetlana Boguinskaya arrived
in Houston & is training w/ Karolyi. She is
trying
to get her U.S. Citizenship papers approved.
"If her papers don't
come through in time for Atlanta, Karolyi might
be
wearing an Olympic coaching credential from
Belarus." !!?
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Date: Sun,
25 Sep 1994 15:49:30 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@imap1.asu.edu
Subject: Boguinskaya arrives in Houston
> >From
Dallas Morning News:
>
> Svetlana Boguinskaya
arrived in Houston & is training w/ Karolyi. She is
> trying
to get her U.S. Citizenship papers approved.
>
> "If her
papers don't come through in time for Atlanta, Karolyi
might be
> wearing an Olympic coaching
credential from Belarus." !!?
>
>
This is getting
weirder by the minute.
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Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 94 09:39:26 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Brandy Johnson
& Maxi Gnauck
A while back someone
(Julius?) said:
>On Brandy Johnson--
Too bad she never hit 8
for 8 at Worlds.
Brandy never really had to hit 8 for 8, since the
only Worlds she went to was
Stuttgart and that was the first new-life
meet. Didn't she go 4 for 4 in
AA
finals and wind up like 7th? I guess the prelims problems could've
affected
chances for finals, but she probably
wouldn't have made UB finals anyway and
I think it's safe to say she
certainly wouldn't have medaled on UB.
(She had
problems in prelims on something
else too, didn't she; was it FX?
Finals
chances on FX is [or should that be
are?] the only thing I can think of that
might have
been affected by her not going 8 for 8 in prelims.) At World Cup
in
'90 she was fifth AA, so that couldn't have gone too badly.
Susan
wrote:
>['83 Chunichi results] Gnauk was in the decided "twilight" of her
career
[...]<
Nevertheless, 2 years later at '85 Europeans, she
was 2nd AA (to Shushunova).
:)
Adriana
PS
On
moves credited to Okino in the Code, I said
>double turn on beam
Oops. Make that a triple... I don't know where
my mind was...
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Date: Sun, 25
Sep 94 10:58:30 BST
From: ***@ic.ac.uk
Subject: British Nationals
Results
British National Championships 1994, 23-24 September,
Guildford
Results
(Compulsories + Optionals Exercises)
=======
Mens
====
1. Lee McDermott 98.50
2. Craig Heape 96.45
3. K.
Atherton
95.25
Womens
======
1. Zita Lusack 73.637
2. Annika
Reeder 72.462
3. Karin Szymko
71.687
Sherwin
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Date:
Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:09:32 -0300
From: ***@hofbbs.com
Subject: JUNIOR PAN AM GAMES
Anyone have any results from the Junior
Pan Am Games held last week in
Monterey, Mexico? I know the meet took place
but I have not seen any results!
Thanks
Thanks
Bruce
"An armed society is a POLITE society!"
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Date:
Sun, 25 Sep 94 23:02:53 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Mary Lou
etc./AGACHE
FYI - The reason Lavinia bombed
is that she was having trouble sleeping, so
her
coach gave her some pill to help.
Unfortunately, the effects of this
pill did
not wear off by competition time. As a result, she was in a
"fog"
while competing. Which is really too
bad.
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Date: Sat, 24 Sep
1994 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@tiger.hsc.edu
Subject:
Messages
Yeah...I've been getting multiple messages, too.
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Date:
Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:09:30 -0300
From: ***@hofbbs.com
Subject: SOME
COMMENTS
I just want to make a few comments on some of the things that
have been posted
recently.
Full on beam: Not
really being into womens gym that much I don't
remember the
girls name but at the 1982 American
Cup there was a gymnast, possibly
Bulgarian, that did a full on beam. I
remember thinking that it was a hell of a
trick
but I don't remember much more than that.
Judges should judge what they see
not what they expect to see. Podium
training
sessions are invaluable to a judge so
that you know what to expect and gives
the judge
the chance to check the values of any moves he is not famil;iar
with.
It also gives the coaches
a chance to have the judge or judges with their
delegation check their own gymnasts for requirements ect. This is
more
important to the US as most other countries
are dealing with a national coach
and they know
what their gymnasts are doing. In
this country a coach at an
international meet may
be unfamilar with a gymnast, sometimes never having
met
the gymnast untill
the international trip!!!
The ability to "cover" a
"mistake" is part of the sport.
What do you do if you
have been watching
training and a gymnast has been doing a double full as a
second
pass on floor and then in the competition the gymnast only does a full?
(Not
needed for difficulty or bonus) And let's say it's a BEAUTIFUL full! Since
you were expecting a double full are you going to wonder"what happened? " or
"What
went Wrong?" That is not the judges
job.
The gymnast has the right to be judged on what they do. To this day I
see no
reason for there to be a deduction for
performing a vault other than the vault
flashed. I like to know what the vault is before
the vaulter actualy goes
as
much as the next person however I am competant enough to recognize what I see
and judge what I see (although some coaches might not agree
with me!!) There is
NO deduction in the Mens code
for performing a vault other than that flashed.
How a bout a Yurchenko triple twist flashed and then the gymnast only
does a
Yurchenko double twist and a BEAUTIFUL double twist? This is the same thing as
I said
before- the gymnast has the right to be judged on what was done not what
the judge thought was supposed to be done. I remeber watching Jim Hartung
for
years on pommel horse and he did different routines frequently! It sure
kept
the judges on their toes!! That is the gymnasts privlidge to change the
routine
with no penalty. A good judge will not
allow what they have seen in podium
training to
affect their judgement during the meet. Podium
training is a great
tool and aide to the judge but
that is all it should be!!
Thanks
Bruce
"An armed society is a POLITE society!"
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Date:
Sat, 24 Sep 94 21:32:02 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Sydney,
2000
Thanks for the input!
I plan to go as a spectator, and have already saved up
allowence to 200 bucks! I have been looking for friends that
would want to
go to, but none of them love gymn like me.
Now that I have the address, I'll
start
planning, and looking for people to go.
Anyone interested? BTW,
are
there any other 12 year olds in this
forum? I've been looking for
gymnastics
people my age I could talk to
sometime.
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