GYMN-L Digest - 3 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 15 messages totalling 600 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Olympic Trials stuff (long)
2. intro & variety of topics
3. Flash photography at gym meets
4. Training Hours Per Week
5. Gymnasts not finishing routines
6. FAQ: How to subscribe to All Around eMagazine?
7. Nadia Swatch Watch (2)
8. GYMN-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 - Special issue
9. A ton of stuff / stress fractures
10. Coaches
11. Training Hours Per Week - AG and RSG
12. US Trials
13. 7-6-5 rule and injuries?
14. Did the Trials in Boston set a US attendance record?

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:47:39 -0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Re: Olympic Trials stuff (long)

Just one comment on the hugs at the end of the NBC broadcast. For once,
to me, at least, they appeared somewhat sincere. And not just within
clubmates. The only one which seemed so-called "fake" to me was between
Kerri and Shannon, and that may have a little history behind it. In any
case, everyone seemed fairly happy and sincere, excpt Dom. M., who sat
and watched (and no, that was not commentary, only observation).

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:52:33 -0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Re: intro & variety of topics

Just one comment on the veteran situation:

Now, as of before 1984, I really don't know, but since then we really
have had one veteran on the team in aleadership role. In 1984,
Kathy Johnson, 1988, Kelly Garrison-Steves, 1992 Wendy Bruce. In
all cases but Kelly, they got the last spot, and then went to the
Olympics and performed well (even if I think Kim Kelly should've
gone instead of Wendy).

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 06:54:43 -0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Re: Flash photography at gym meets

Suggestion here: Try "pusing" the film instead. Open up your
f-stop as far as possible, push the film to 1,600 or 3,200 and
work from there. You might get some usable pictures.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:11:05 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Training Hours Per Week

What do people think about the idea of limiting the number of hours per week
a child could train when under the age of 16? I am starting to question
parents who sent their kids to train 30-40 hrs a week in preperation for a
chance to make the Olympics. I think
that by spending so much time training they become great gymnasts but loose
out on social skills and other social relationships that are important to
ones up bringing.


Stephen

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:37:10 +1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Gymnasts not finishing routines

> I have never seen
>a gymnast take a fall and not get back on to finish the routine, unless
>of course a really serious injury was sustained.

Wow! How long have you been a fan??

Three incidents come to mind over the years:

- Maxi Gnauck got a 2.5? for optional floor at 81 Worlds. She clutched her
ankles after an attempted double back on the first pass. I'm not sure if
she sprained it or what, but this was the reason was she didn't compete AA
that year.

- Elena Gurova got a 6.?? at 84 Champions All (a competition at Wembley,
anyway). She hit her elbow on the high bar after a botched Tkatchev, and
tried to continue, but was in too much pain.

- Yulia Yurkina couldn't finish her FX at 93 Nikon International in Sydney
after dislocating her elbow attempting an Arabian double front. And it was
nice to see it in slow motion from 3 different angles (sarcasm).

Simone

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 15:00:57 +0200
From: ***@PI.NET
Subject: FAQ: How to subscribe to All Around eMagazine?

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 09:01:16 PDT
From: ***@POP.NET
Subject: Nadia Swatch Watch

Nadia Swatch Watch
A Question

Hello,

I am wondering if anyone has seen the Nadia Swatch watch? There is a series
of pictures on the strap. All are from the 1976 Olympics, except the one at
the top. Nadia's competition number was 73 from the 1976 Olympics, but the
top picture shows Nadia in a leotard with the number 38 performing either a
Comaneci dismount on bars (most likely) or a cuervo on vault. Therefore this
picture is not presumably from the 1976 Olympics. Just out of curiosity,
does anyone know from which competition this top picture was taken?

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:25:27 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 2 Jul 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-07-02 22:34:46 EDT, you write:

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 01:48:10 UT
From: ***@MSN.COM
Subject: Re: Dom. Moceanu on the Today program + Oprah

It is the day after Olympic Trials for women are over and the NBC Today
program
features an interview with what athlete???? Who could it be???

Of course it is the media's sweetheart, Dominque Moceanu.And, it would be
nice
if they (The Today Show) could just squeeze in a little
mention that the US is sending a men's team to Atlanta as well.

Well, I got up at seven in the morning to watch this too. After an
hour and
1/2 it came off. Unfortunately our TV guide said the interview was to be
with
Dominique Dawes, so I was quite disapointed.

I must congratulate Oprah. Today's show was actually pretty good.
Out of
the at least 6 or 7 people they had on 3 were gymnasts. She interviewed
Nadia
and Bart on their lives together ( Do you get up from the dinner table and
do
flips?!) and they did a nice routine together. They also talked with Mary
Lou Retton from her house. (She had her little girl with her.) SHe said
some
very nice things and there was even a few brief clips of Dom M, Dom D,
Shannon, Kerri, and more.

Jjeorje

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Well, They didn't mention a single thing about Kerri Strug. Get it right! I
am a major supporter of Kerri and it just makes me mad that they never
mention anything about her she is just as much a part of every team she has
been on so many world championships teams at least '91 to '95 She may alway
be the underdog, but she has alway been a team leader, she has won the '96
American Cup and if you saw the Olympic Trials, you would see that she has
shown she is ready for Atlanta and to show her stuff, I think she really has
a chance to really hit, and she was just barely beat by Dom D. That shows a
lot.
That is my 2 cents on Kerri for awhile
Sara
GO KERRI AND AMANDA !

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:49:23 PDT
From: ***@AMDAHL.CO.ZA
Subject: Re: A ton of stuff / stress fractures

>Now that we know Dom's stress fracture is really about 1.5
>inches instead of
>8 ft, she might be ready by the games. If not, I don't
>know what to say. I
>am hoping Shannon will be 100% If she would rest (Dom,
>too), she should be
>able to get to the games in good shape.

The length of the stress fracture makes no difference in the
time it will take to heal.
Helen. :)

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 11:09:53 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Coaches

Here-Here!
Teachers and coaches are not perfect you know. We all can't stand away from
it all and think about every reaction, especially in such curcumstances. I
know that Tom's reaction had nothing to do with selfish feelings.
Congratulations to all of the girls and the coaches!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 08:28:48 -0800
From: ***@UNISERVE.COM
Subject: Training Hours Per Week - AG and RSG

>What do people think about the idea of limiting the number of hours per week
>a child could train when under the age of 16?

Every kid is different. To set an artificial upper OR LOWER limit is
imposing the national average onto all kids. This will negatively affect
kids on both sides of the Bell curve.

Parents and coaches should both monitor the development and health of young
gymnasts and look for signs of overtraining, burnt out or untapped
potential. What is good for one kid may be bad for others.

I don't know how often artistics gymnastics uses cross training to add
variety to their training. (I know that runner uses water treading to
recover from shin splints and bone problems.)

My kid is into rhythmic, at age 8, she is only practising 8 hours in the
gymn, she adds another 3-4 hours per week at home. There are things that
she definitely cannot do at home like throwing and catching the apparatus.
However, things like conditioning, balances and turns can be done at home.
Her coach said the rhythmic gymnast typically don't explore their full
potential until they reach around 19-21 Anybody have any stats or opinions?



O
Mario \O/ /\ (father of a young rhythmic gymnast)
l ll

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 10:10:03 +0100
From: "***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: US Trials

I heard that after hitting her head so hard on the beam, Amy Chow actually
uttered complete sentences at the press conference... actual groups of words
in a row.

Go figure!

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:04:20 -0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject: Re: 7-6-5 rule and injuries?

John asks:

>With the 7-6-5 rule, what's the chance of D.M. or Shannon not
>competing on some events? I.e. the events where they would be
>(literally) weakest? Would their coaches agree to that?

I'd say that if both of these gymnasts are able to compete without risking
injury, they'll both be competing all events. The US wants its best three
gymnasts to make it to AA finals, and while I'm not actually convinced that
Moceanu is in the top three, almost everyone else is. Besides, she's
currently ranked third, so...

Now, as to whether either of them is weakest on a given event, I'd have to
say yes. Moceanu is, to my mind, weaker on bars than any of the other six
women on the team. Oh, I know Borden had a rough time with the compulsory
routine in trials, but that's rare for her. She's a world finalist on bars
even if she isn't going to get to compete it at the Olympics. Moceanu
doesn't fall often, but she almost never hits her Pak salto correctly.

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 14:07:07 EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Did the Trials in Boston set a US attendance record?

According to the commentary during the Trials, the audience in the
Fleet Center was 15000-plus. Since the audience in the Pauli Pavilion
at the LA Olympics was 13000-plus, does this mean that the recent
Olympic Trials had the highest US attendance ever for gymnastics?

>>Kathy

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Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 13:10:24 -0400
From: ***@FOX.NSTN.CA
Subject: Re: Nadia Swatch Watch

Chameleon wrote:

"I am wondering if anyone has seen the Nadia Swatch watch? There is a series
of pictures on the strap. All are from the 1976 Olympics, except the one at
the top. Nadia's competition number was 73 from the 1976 Olympics, but the
top picture shows Nadia in a leotard with the number 38 performing either a
Comaneci dismount on bars (most likely) or a cuervo on vault. Therefore this
picture is not presumably from the 1976 Olympics. Just out of curiosity,
does anyone know from which competition this top picture was taken?"

I have the Nadia Swatch as well and didn't notice this before. I am
really curious now as well as Nadia's number at the 79 Europeans was 62,
at the 79 World Cup it was 9 and at the 79 Champions All it was 8. If the photo
*is* taken from vault, it does look like a Cuervo, which Nadia performed
during 79-80 but Nadia didn't have a pony tail in 1980. That means that,
if it *is* Nadia, it would have to be taken from either the 77 Champions
All, the 77 Europeans or the 76 Chunichi Cup and would have to be her bars
dismount as she performed the piked Tsuk on vault at those meets. Perhaps
it's not Nadia - maybe it's Dumitrita Turner dismounting from bars...

Leslie

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