GYMN-L Digest - 3 Mar 1996 - Special issue
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are 18 messages totalling 1016 lines in this
issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. OGF - Athlete Model
2. The American Cup
3. I saw the AC Live!
4. FANTASY GYMNASTICS
5. Kim Zmeskal
6. Pike's Peak
7. GYMN-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar
1996
8. Half-in half-out and
Arabian double front-half (2)
9. Kristy Powell's Floor
10. American Cup (3)
11. Pikes Peak
12. Doni
Thompson
13. Women defending
American Cup
14. American Cup:
AA Results
15. American Cup:
Women's AA Finals
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 08:02:39
-0500
From: ***@SYMPATICO.CA
Subject:
OGF - Athlete Model
Gymners in Ontario
The
Women's Technical Committee of the Ontario Gymnastic Federation is
proposing a new "Athlete Model". If accepted, this will change the
rules
for Provincial Stream Women's
Gymnastics. Clearly, this is a
critical issue
and should be debated thoroughly so
as to arrive at the best possible end
result. The basic outline was presented to
Regional Coaching and Judging
Reps on February 17th. Regional Chairpeople
and Metro West clubs should
receive some written
info this coming week. Look into
this issue, give
input, get involved!
John
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 09:36:46
-0500
From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: The American Cup
Hi... I was wondering if there was a kind sould out there who had taped
the
American Cup and would be kind enough, in exchange for costs and a
return of the favor with respect to the meets I have on
tape, to make me
a copy or mail me the tape so
that I may copy it? I would be
very
grateful... Thank You! Monica
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:10:55
-0500
From: ***@RAPIDRAMP.COM
Subject:
Re: I saw the
AC Live!
While most of you watched the American Cup at home Isaw it up close (well a
was
in sec.313 row E.) Igot 2 autographs the little girl from China and one
of the men. 2 of
the people in my gym got Kerri Strug's. Well if you know
who
Robbie Kiefer is his former coach Doug Stockton is also my coach.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:03:05
-0500
From: ***@HICOM.NET
Subject:
Re: FANTASY GYMNASTICS
Howdy, folks:
Perhaps I need to
articulate a bit better what 'Fantasy Gymnastics' would or
could be.
First, we would need to have a list of
the international class gymnasts out
there that
regularly compete in the international meets. Then, through a random
'draft' process, each GYMN member playing would need to
choose their team
members, and NOT necessarily
from the same country (i.e., six competing gymnasts
from
any countries to represent their team(that's the 'Fantasy' part of it,
like
your own personal 'Dream Team')--the
selection process for this would really
need to be
hammered out with soooo many people on the list...In
Fantasy
Football, there are usually only 10-15 regular folks who are
playing).
Now that each participant has her/his teams, YOU get your
own personal score by
adding up the individual
scores of your six gymnasts competing.
If one of your
gymnasts gets injured, oh
well--you're stuck without a gymnast, and hence,
without
a score.
I will attempt to give you an example using the results of
yesterday's American
Cup, since I have the results here in front of me
(thanks to the Newark _Star
Ledger_...)
LET'S SUPPOSE...
I
have chosen, by some yet-to-be-determined method, the following gymnasts
for
my team:
Strug, Miller, Piskun,
Chusovitina, Boguinskaya,
and Tousek.
Here is
how my team score looks, using
all-around scores:
TEAM
C:
Strug
39.13
Miller
0
(Neither Miller or Piskun competed today,
though
Piskun
0
both are on my hypothetical team, so I don't
Chusovitina 38.635 gain any points for them
today)
Boguinskaya 38.687
Tousek
37.861
_________________________________
C's Total
for Am Cup of
3/2/96 :
154.313
The way this works in American Football is the game
takes place over a football
season--so your
individual players' performances are tallied up over the course
of 16 games.
Perhaps this would be the case in a Fantasy
Gymnastics
game--include not just one meet, but a
series of meets.
As I said before, this is a very sketchy outline, but
as I also said, I am
willing to hammer some
concrete specifications out if anyone is interested in
participating
and also interested in helping set this up.
Hope to hear some feedback
soon...
Michele
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:56:30
-0500
From: ***@CHELSEA.IOS.COM
Subject:
Re: Kim Zmeskal
At the Am Cup comp
yesterday, Karolyi said that he's leaving the
decision
to compete at Trials up to Kim. She has
been training everyday and her
weaknesses as of
now are the beam and bars. She says that she'll make her
decision
in mid-March as to whether or not she'll continue her comeback.
I hope this
isn't old news, I just read it this morning.
Courtney
:)
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:59:12
EST
From: ***@COMPUSERVE.COM
Subject:
Pike's Peak
On Saturday, 2 March, Christina asked if there was updated
information
about Pike' Peak being televised.
Cypress
Academy is a participant with 43 girls, levels 8 thru elite. We
received
a letter on Friday, indicating that there were "42 clubs from 19
states
and 3 countries" registered to
participate, but no mention of television
coverage
or what 'countries' were expected. Some of the Level 8's are competing
Friday evening, and the rest on Sunday. The level 10's will be competing
Saturday
starting at 12:30 pm open stretch, and the Elites Saturday afternoon
with open stretch starting at 4:45 pm. All sessions (except 10 and 11--10's
and
elites) will be at the Air Force Academy West
Gym, while the 10's and elites
will be at the Air
Force Academy Field House, or Clune Arena as it is
also
known.
Cypress is looking forward to
a great meet and recreational outings afterwards.
We hope to see a lot of
you there.
Joe
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 13:16:01
-0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 2 Mar 1996 to 3 Mar 1996
Recently, when I get my
e-mail from you (I receive it in a
batch), after
some messages, the words "Press Return for More"
are given.
Unfortunately, when I do this, nothing happens and
I don't receive
the rest of the messages.
Previously, I never
had this problem or had
to press return to get any messages.
Are you doing something different or
is this a problem on my
end? I'd appreciate your help in resolving
this problem.
Thanks,
Anne
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 10:28:34
-0400
From: ***@HALCYON.COM
Subject:
Half-in half-out and Arabian double front-half
Maybe somebody can
answer my question. What is the difference between an
Arabian double front
with an half twist and an half in half out on
floor.
Thanks.
Chloe.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 11:07:28
-0800
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject:
Re: Kristy Powell's Floor
Jennifer E.- Kristy Powells
floor music is Toccata in D and Fugue.
The
violinist who performed it in this
particular "jazzed up" version is the
16 year
old Vanessa Mae. You should
check out her CD "The Violin Player"
she
is the Bogi of classical music.
Corrie
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 14:00:02
-0600
From: ***@LULU.ACNS.NWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: American Cup
Hi all!
I just wanted to add my $0.02 about
this weekend's coverage-- I sure was
impressed
with both Boginskaya and Chusovitina
(where on earth did that girl
learn to tumble????)
I just wondered what any of you thought about the
montage-special-interest
pieces, namely the one on Kerri's past few years
switching
coaches. I was really moved by it-- I have to say that I've been out
of the loop where gymnastics is concerned for the past few
years, but even so,
I never knew much about this gymnast. The one thing I
can't believe they
showed, though, was that
unbelievable fall she took from the uneven bars--
have
you ever seen anything so scary? Geez!! I wondered if that image stayed
with anyone the way it did with me.
Also, regarding
Bela's and Bogi's remarks
to Dominique at the end of the
program, did anyone
else get the impression that they were both totally
condescending
to her? I thought it was pretty weird-- I mean, even though she
looks about seven, she IS fourteen years old, after
all.
As for the overall quality of the gymnastics, I thought it was good,
but
nothing really even close to Worlds. And I
don't mean to take anything away
from the gymnasts
who won and did well, but I just wish that the competition
hadn't been so close between Americans-- it would have been
nice if more of
the countries had been right there
in the running (the coverage probably had
something
to do with that; they did not show a wide variety of routines).
Like I
said, I've been MIA for a while,
and the last time
I saw an American Cup, Kim Zmeskal and Natalia Kalinina were
neck and neck,
and it was quite a good competition. I wish that more countries
had sent their top gymnasts, but I understand it if they're
saving them for
more important (and less rigged,
if that is the case, based on what I've read
here)
meets. Atlanta sure is going to be exciting!!!
--Meighan
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 15:18:40
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Pikes Peak
Gymagic gymnastics from
Sacramento is going there. What
we've been told is
that it will be telecast but no
other details. Saludos, Ramon.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:07:20
-0500
From: ***@WAM.UMD.EDU
Subject:
Doni Thompson
Unfortunely,
I missed the broadcast of the American Cup. I know Thompson
retired,
but thats all.
Can anything tell me any details surrounding
it? Thanks.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:36:45
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
American Cup
So the American Cup was on NBC? Hmm.....seems
like the Madison, Wis.
channels have been skipping
out on meets. Anyone have their address for you
Madison-area
people on this list? I would
kinda like to complain about
lack
of gymnastics.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:58:40
-0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject:
Re: Half-in half-out and Arabian double front-half
Chloe asks:
>Maybe
somebody can answer my question. What is the difference between an
>Arabian
double front with an half twist and an half in half
out on
>floor.
The difference is in
where the twist comes in. In a
half-in-half-out, the
gymnasts completes a full
twist in the middle of the skill.
The first half
of the twist comes at the
end of the first somi and the second half comes
at the beginning of the second somi. In a Arabian double with a half,
the
first half twist comes right at the
beginning. Most of the
somersaulting
goes forwards (like a double front),
and the gymnast completes another half
twist at
the very end.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 17:58:43
-0500
From: ***@ASTRO.OCIS.TEMPLE.EDU
Subject:
American Cup
Am I the only one out here who still doesn't like Kerri Strug's gymnastics
very
much? I'll admit that she looks
more confident and that her bars set
is _much_
better, but her form on beam is still sloppy.
As for the commentary, I
thought it was pretty good, but I had one serious
complaint. What's with the assumption that Dom M is
going to be the
obvious frontrunner in
Atlanta? What about Pods, Khorkina, Mo, Milo,
Gina,...? U.S. championships aside, I still think
Miller is the best
American gymnast around. I'd rank Dom M about fourth, behind
Miller,
Dawes, and Borden.
I know everyone else has already said
it, but I've got to chime in.
Chusovitina's
tumbling is unbelievable.
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 19:38:46
-0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Women defending American Cup
The NBC announcers said yesterday that
not since kristie Phillips had
a
woman defended her title. For kicks, I put together this list, which
shows the defending champion and where she finished the
following year.
1987 Kristie Phillips (did not compete in 88)
1988
Phoebe Mills (4th in 89)
1989 Brandy Johnson (22nd in prelims in 90)
1990
Kim Zmeskal (2nd in 1991)
1991 Betty Okino (did not compete in 92)
1992 Kim Zmeskal (did not compete in 93)
1993 Shannon Miller
(did not compete in 94)
1994 Dom Dawes (did not compete in 95)
1995 Kristy
Powell (8th in 96)
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:15:25
-0500
From: ***@CLOUD9.NET
Subject:
American Cup: AA Results
McDonald's American Cup
Fort Worth,
TX
March 2, 1996
Women
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1. Kerri Strug (USA)
9.731 9.812 9.750 9.837
39.130
2. Svetlana Boginskaya (BLR) 9.638
9.662 9.737 9.650
38.687
3. Oksana Chusovitina (UZB) 9.599 9.712
9.737 9.587 38.635
4. Alexandra
Dobrescu (ROM) 9.218 9.450 9.687 9.700 38.055
5. Yvonne Tousek
(CAN) 9.462
9.075 9.612 9.712 37.861
6.
Joanna Juarez (ESP) 9.449
9.625 9.075 9.687 37.836
7. Lan Sang (CHN)
9.637 9.362 9.200 9.625
37.824
8. Kristy Powell (USA) 9.706
9.750 9.675 8.575 37.706
Men
---
1.
John Roethlisberger (USA) 9.587 9.587 9.700 9.325
9.625 9.787
57.611
2. Jair Lynch (USA)
9.650 9.687 9.400 9.375 9.025 9.750 56.887
3. Ilya
Giogadze (GEO) 9.300
9.562 9.075 9.412 9.525 9.600
56.674
4. Andrei Kan (BLR)
9.375 9.250 9.250 9.475 9.450
9.437 56.237
5. Valery Belenky (GER) 9.275
9.025 9.575 9.300 9.637 9.300
56.112
6. Oleg Kuzmin (RUS)
9.350 8.900 9.500 9.200 9.512 9.475 55.937
7. Sigeru
Kurihara (JPN) 9.325 8.775
9.6.7 9.250 9.450 9.375 55.812
8.
Adrian Ianculescu (ROM) 8.925 9.700 9.125 9.450
8.675 9.300 55.175
Debbie
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Date: Sun, 3 Mar 1996 21:15:32
-0500
From: ***@CLOUD9.NET
Subject:
American Cup: Women's AA Finals
One question after women's prelims
was, "can Kerri Strug control her nerves
and take the title?". It seems that returning to Karolyi's has done her
much
good, both physically and mentally.
On both days of competition Strug
was focused, and pounded out routine after routine as if it
were the easiest
thing in the world. She also appeared much more relaxed and
ready to smile
than in previous years. So, on to the AA finals...
Four
girls used the Hristakieva vault, and all of them
showed a nice layout
position in the
post-flight. Juarez had excellent air
form but took steps
on both of her landings. Boginskaya's
first attempt had a big step forward;
she improved the landing on her next attempt (small
hop). Strug
landed her
first try with a rather high vertical
hop (a la Moceanu's FX pass), but the
second attempt was much better. Tousek had the
loosest form in the air,
IMO, but both attempts were high with good
landings. Daring to be
different
were Powell (nice 1.5 twisting Yurchenko), Lan (layout Cuervo), Dobrescu
(tucked front full, she sat down on her 1st attempt), and Chusovitina (piked
front 1/2). Chusovitina absolutely
nailed her 2nd attempt, although I don't
think the
scores reflected this.
On UB, Boginskaya was
up first and did her 1.5 pirouette on the HB not quite
in
vertical, and had a small problem in a handstand on the LB. Her double
layout
was impressive considering her height but she had to fight to stick
it. Strug did 2 major releases (front pike; Tkachev)
and dismounted with a
very high and stuck tucked
full-out. Powell was up next and
showed a more
exciting routine: inverts to Gienger; huge Tkachev;
full-out. IMO, she
should have scored slightly higher than Strug. The Chinese girl's routine
was very stock (but also clean), with a few front giants, a Tkachev and
double
layout. Dobrescu
did a giant full to Gienger (leg separation) and
dismounted with a double front 1/2. Like the CHN girl, she moved from LB
to
HB by standing on the lower bar. Tousek had the
highest release move
(Hindorf) of
anyone, which unfortunately she failed to regrasp. She also
did
a piked front, a Pak salto
and a double layout off. Chusovitina used an
interesting
transition move (hecht to HB), did 2 consecutive hop fulls,
inverts, and nailed her
tucked full-out. Last up was
Juarez, who has unreal
toe point: front giant,
front pike; front giant, piked Jaeger; double
layout
dismount.
Beam was a solid event
for almost everyone, with only 2 girls falling.
Strug
was first up and set the pace for the others. Her FF LO FF LO pass
was solid, as was her punch front and Popa
jump. She took a small step on
her double tuck dismount. Powell's tumbling pass was very
impressive: FF LO
Chen. She nailed her punch front (had been having
problems on warm-ups), and
her leap to immediate Rulfova was cool.
She took a step forward on her
double tuck
dismount. Lan
did a punch front on, FF LO FF, and came off
after
her punch front. Dobrescu also used the punch front mount and showed
the usual solid Romanian B routine, although she did nothing
unusual or
outstanding. It was this event's equivalent of Lan's UB. Tousek's routine
had tons of
original elements, and she showed crisp moves and poses. Her
coolest
pass was a front handspring punch front.
She also did an unusual
handstand, and her
full turn was right on. Can you
tell that I really like
this gymnast? :-) Chusovitina
showed us a *real* front on (incredible
height),
and did a punch front to back tuck; leap, FF; and drilled her
double tuck dismount into the floor. She has improved so much on this
event. Juarez
came off after a tour jete (but she still had more
height and
better form than Bogie). Boginskaya
also used a front on to immediate leap;
FF LO LO; punch front; double pirouette; and a double tuck
(step). She does
it so well, but then again she's
also been doing basically the same routine
since
1991 or so.
Powell had major problems on floor, falling on her opening
double layout and
also on her piked
full-in. Her dance and expression
were great, though, and
I think that overall she has the best FX of the US
girls. Lan
was cute and
pranced about the mat, and her
tumbles were strong (double layout; 3 whips,
FF, double twist;
2.5 twist). Dobrescu
also used a double layout and ended
with a triple
twist. Her choreography was good (I
think she's from the
Bucharest club and not Deva). I haven't watched NBC's coverage yet but
I
understand that they didn't show Tousek's FX...
You guys were robbed!
This
routine is fantastic. Her tumbling runs were Arabian double
front; triple
twist; rudi
immediate leap; and 2.5 twist punch front.
But it was the
choreography that woke up
the audience, each move fitting perfectly with the
music. Deservedly, Tousek
received very loud cheers and the 2nd highest FX
score. Chusovitina
followed and amazed everyone with her tumbling runs of
layout
full-out and tucked full-out. She
out-tumbled everyone, men
included. Her front full to punch 1/2 layout was
kind of off, and I think
the judges penalized her
heavily for this (her SV was 9.9 -- how can this
be?!?)
and she ranked 7th on this event. How depressing. Juarez used
Spanish-influenced dance
and, like her teammates, she was precise and
expressive. She also opened with a double
layout. Choreography is the
main
thing in Boginskaya's
routine, although her tumbles are comparable to
others'
(except Chussy, of course). Today she managed to control her
2.5
twist and gave her usual crisp
presentation. Strug
was last up, and the
wait must have been
difficult. Her opening double
layout was high (but with
a leg separation) and
ending full-in was stuck. The dance
was on the cutesy
side for the most part, but she
seemed to enjoy performing it. At
the end
of her routine it was hard to tell who was
happier, Kerri or Bela.
At the press
conference Strug said, "I'm really excited about
today. I was
glad
to start 1996 out winning for myself." Karolyi added,
"Tonight we have
seen a revival of what
everyone has been waiting for so long...maturity.
The greatest winner is
the sport of gymnastics, and congratulations to the
'old
ladies.'" Yes, congratulations
to the old ladies (aged 18, 20 and 23),
who had no
trouble fending off the challenge of the youngsters!
Debbie
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