GYMN-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995 - Special issue
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are 17 messages totalling 512 lines in this
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Topics in this special issue:
1. ESPN COVERAGE OF WORLD'S TRIAL:
WOMENS
2. ESPN coverage and a
*little* bit of Worlds (3)
3.
WORLDS: Womens:Day 3
4. ESPN coverage
5. USA Teams at Worlds
6. Boginskaya
7. ESPN Coverage-my 2 cents worth
8. WORLDS: day 3, men, team
9.
WORLDS: day 3, women, team
10. WORLDS: day 3, women, AA
11. Bogi!
12. World's qualifying and AA-questions.
(2)
13. Question about team
finals
14. Gymnastics
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:31:11
EDT
From: ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject:
Re: ESPN COVERAGE OF WORLD'S TRIAL: WOMENS
I didn't like the Trials
coverage at all. With 1.5 hours,
you would
figure that they would show somemone besides Shannon, the Doms,
Amy
Chow, and every once-in-a-while Doni and
Kerri. I can't believe how
much time they spent WAITING for scores. They could have at least
shown one of Mary Beth Arnold's routines or Theresa Kulikowski's
routines. Instead, we get a shot of Theresa
waiting for teammate Doni
finish
her FX. Sheesh.
--Brent
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:52:06
-0400
From: ***@GATEWAY.US.SIDWELL.EDU
Subject:
ESPN coverage and a *little* bit of Worlds
Good side of the ESPN
coverage: 1.5 hours, lots of routines, not many
cutesy
features.
Bad side, in two words: Maura Driscoll.
I mean,
come on, I can do a better job announcing than that. First off,
can
she please get it through her thick head that a hop full --> Gienger
on bars is *not* a
"Miller?" Yes, Shannon
Miller was one of the first to
do it, but last I
checked, it's not actually called a Miller. Also, that
was
great when Amy Chow threw her Arabian-double front-.5 out and Maura
*had no idea what the trick was!* I mean, aren't the announcers
supposed
to be pretty up on the world of
gymnastics and stuff? Anyone who
watched
Nationals (or at least read the coverage of Nationals on Gymn ;) knows
that Amy Chow
usually throws that move, but all Maura could come up with
was "She wasn't doing that in warmups..."
and on the instant replay
"Uh...that looked like a half in-half out..." And if I
hear one more
time how "Moceanu
bears a resemblance to Nadia Comaneci and Mary Lou
Retton
-- and gee, they were/are all coached by Bela Karolyi!"
I will
scream!
DO NOT READ BELOW
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN WORLDS
I'm really
pleasantly surprised by how well the US men are doing. Go
them! And thanks Rachele
for posting scores so promptly.
Lisa
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:09:14
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
WORLDS: Womens:Day 3
From
the WWW:
Team Competition for Women
Rank
Country
Points
1st
ROMANIA
192.570
2nd
USA
191.722
3rd
RUSSIA
191.408
4th
CHINA
190.819
5th
UKRAINE
189.033 PEN2
6th
SPAIN
188.494
7th
FRANCE
187.483
8th
BELARUS
185.893
9th
HUNGARY
184.745
10th
JAPAN
183.430
11th
ITALY
183.308
12th
GREECE
182.857 PEN1
13th
GERMANY
181.957
14th
AUSTRALIA
181.920
15th CANADA
181.907
16th
BULGARIA
180.196
17th
BRAZIL
178.807
18th
UZBEKISTAN
177.695
19th
KOREA
177.419
20th
ISRAEL
176.621
21th
KAZAKSTAN
176.321
22th
GREAT BRITAIN
175.745
23th
ARGENTINA
172.945
24th
CZECH REPUBLIC
168.357
25th
MEXICO
167.158
26th
BELGIUM
164.671
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:24:18
-0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject:
Re: ESPN coverage and a *little* bit of Worlds
> Good side of the
ESPN coverage: 1.5 hours, lots of routines, not many
> cutesy features.
Well, IMO, ESPN's coverage was
pretty lousy (compared, for example, to the
waterskiing
competition which preceded it; *there* they showed every
competitor). There was too much dead time between
routines, I thought,
which could have been used to
show more gymnastics. I agree
with
everyone that Maura Driscoll is
terrible. But I guess that's why
she's
on ESPN and not NBC/ABC/CBS. Kurt Thomas shouldn't be allowed to
dress
himself, and if I have to sit through one
more Bela Karolyi profile,
I'm
going to scream.
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:45:35
-0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject:
Re: ESPN coverage
Regarding ESPN's coverage --
There were 25.08
minutes of actual routines shown, excellent compared to
network,
but they could have filled in with some of the other routines that
were performed and given us 30 minutes of routines and only
1 hour of fluff
and commercials --
but in their defense, the meet was depicted on TV as it felt
for members of
the audience. From what I heard about press row, they
were busy getting
updates on Katie Teft, etc. But
I managed to drive to the hotel and back
(15 minutes away = 30 minutes
round trip) and only miss one routine.
It was a VERY Slow meet, lots of waiting
for scores, the
excitement of
the gymnastics itself could not
compensate for the interminable length of
time it
took to get through the rotations
(honestly, it is
a killer to sit through 2 warm-ups in each rotation).
Mayland
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>>
Good side of the ESPN coverage: 1.5 hours, lots of routines, not many
>>
cutesy features.
>
>Well, IMO, ESPN's
coverage was pretty lousy (compared, for example, to the
>waterskiing competition which preceded it; *there* they
showed every
>competitor). There was too much dead time between
routines, I thought,
>which could have been
used to show more gymnastics. I
agree with
>everyone that Maura Driscoll is
terrible. But I guess that's why
she's
>on ESPN and not NBC/ABC/CBS. Kurt Thomas shouldn't be allowed to
dress
>himself, and if I have to sit through
one more Bela Karolyi
profile, I'm
>going to scream.
>
>Debbie
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:26:42
-0400
From: ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:
USA Teams at Worlds
Just want to add my congratulations to the USA
teams for such stellar
performances. If the women can stay in second with the
"weakened" team,
they will be amazing in
Atlanta with Dom, Amanda, and Amy healthy.
And,
if the men can stay in medal position,
maybe they will finally get the
respect they
deserve, especially from their fellow Americans. Way to go!!
-Emily
When are
the finals for the team? Is it the
6 (M) and 7 (W)?
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:45:56
-0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject:
Boginskaya
Yesterday's _l'Equipe_
ran an article about Boginskaya ("Svetlana,
Already the Queen of Sabae"). Here's a recap:
Not all of Boginskaya's compatriots are happy about her return,
claiming
that she's doing it only for the money
she could get in appearance fees
later on. She replies, "The words of people
don't interest me. I'm here
because Belarus needs me. Why should I refuse?"
About
Sabae:
"I'll have to get good scores for the team in general and
for Piskun in particular. But I'm doing this for myself...I don't
have
any problems with the compulsories, and I'll
have some surprises to show
in optionals. But it's true that on UB and V I have to
work very hard!"
Debbie
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:04:19
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: ESPN coverage and a *little* bit of Worlds
ditto
about Kurt Thomas's outfit...oh god, I am color blind, but I
wouldn't even think about wearing that.
On Wed, 4
Oct 1995, Talloo wrote:
> > Good side
of the ESPN coverage: 1.5 hours, lots of routines, not many
> > cutesy features.
>
> Well, IMO, ESPN's
coverage was pretty lousy (compared, for example, to the
> waterskiing competition which preceded it; *there* they
showed every
> competitor). There was too much dead time between
routines, I thought,
> which could have been
used to show more gymnastics. I
agree with
> everyone that Maura Driscoll is
terrible. But I guess that's why
she's
> on ESPN and not NBC/ABC/CBS. Kurt Thomas shouldn't be allowed to
dress
> himself, and if I have to sit through
one more Bela Karolyi
profile, I'm
> going to scream.
>
>
Debbie
>
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:18:15
-0400
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject:
ESPN Coverage-my 2 cents worth
Hi folks:
I've loved some of
the comments that I have read about the coverage of
the
Trials on ESPN. ESPN used to be my
favorite gymnastics network
because they used to
show lots and lots of routines and keep away from
the
fluff that the networks tend to show.
I am sad to report that they
are following
the big boys much to my chagrin. I
agree.. Who is Maura
Driscoll? What qualifies her to announce? And John Nabors was a swimmer
who turned announcing swimming into announcing athletic
events. It is
scary. I agree
with the person who wrote "Who lets Kurt Thomas dress
himself?" I
might add who lets Kurt Thomas cut his own hair? And that
garbage
about Karolyi...Karolyi has
many positive things about him but I
know for a
fact that those kids have very monitored diets. Karolyi
blantantly lied on national
television and he didn't even do a good job
about
it. The press just loves him
because the rest of the US coaches
come off like
idiots. Maybe a PR lesson for our
coaches couldn't hurt!
As for the gymnastics, Miller was robbed. She was the champion. (As we
now
see by her performance at Worlds). Moceanu was overscored at
nationals ( I was there and I am a judge) and she was overscored at
trials. Miller's class and elegance should be
rewarded in the general
impression category over Karolyi and his latest political manuevers.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Julie
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:21:27
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
WORLDS: day 3, men, team
(I'm getting better
at formatting these scores!)
1995 World Gymnastics Championships
Sun
Dome, Sabae, Japan
4 October 1995
Men's
Team Standings after all compulsories
Country
FX PH SR VT PB HB Total
1 Japan
47.087 46.475
46.675 47.225 46.712 47.886
282.060
2
China
46.575 47.100 46.712 46.800 47.462 47.399 282.048
3 United States 46.675 45.925 46.687 47.162
46.700 47.187 280.336
4 Romania
46.775 46.475 46.125 47.075 46.100 47.424 279.974
5 Ukraine
46.812 45.550 46.200 47.350 46.325 47.037 279.274
6 Germany
46.787 45.675 46.199 46.675 46.087 47.199 278.622
7 Bulgaria
46.900 45.150 46.637 46.925 46.375 46.187 278.174
8 Belarus
45.975 45.825 46.075 47.362 46.437 46.387 278.061
9 South Korea 45.625 45.650
46.550 47.037 46.400 46.399
277.661
10 France
45.800 46.175 46.350 47.250 45.325 46.325 277.225
11 Russia
46.400 45.600 45.850 47.362 46.150 45.175 276.537
12 Italy
46.425 45.250 46.625 47.075 44.150 46.724 276.249
13 Hungary
45.500 46.000 46.175 47.075 45.375 46.025 276.150
14 Canada
46.625 43.950 45.900 45.950 45.650 46.687 274.762
15 Switzerland 45.425 43.275
45.975 46.762 45.975 46.600 274.012
16 Australia
44.175 43.700 45.575 46.150 44.550 46.537 270.687
17 Britain
45.225 42.925 44.600 46.450 45.375 46.025 270.600
18 Czech
Republic 44.500 42.250 43.000
46.575 42.500 43.875
262.700
19 Argentina 45.075 43.050 43.425 46.200 42.875 41.725 262.350
20
Kazakhstan
43.775 43.575 43.200 46.050 44.750 39.475 260.825
21 Greece
45.125 37.850 43.650 45.125 42.200 45.325 259.275
22 Puerto Rico 42.825 41.900
39.900 46.175 39.975 43.350 254.125
23 Taiwan
42.175 31.750 35.725 43.675 25.275 21.100 199.700
24 Ireland
31.800 24.700 35.875 42.900 29.025 26.125 190.425
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:22:19
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
WORLDS: day 3, women, team
1995 World
Gymnastics Championships
Sun Dome, Sabae,
Japan
4 October 1995
Women's Team Standings after all
compulsories
Country
VT UB BB FX Total
1 Romania
48.199 48.048 47.374 48.949 192.570
2 United States 47.450 48.462 47.612 48.198 191.722
3 Russia
47.624 48.087 47.561 48.136 191.408
4 China
46.673 47.649 48.224 48.273 190.819
5 Ukraine
47.261 46.824 46.636 48.312 189.033 PEN 2
6 Spain
46.346 47.424 46.375 48.349 188.494
7 France
46.361 46.512 46.586 48.024 187.483
8 Belarus
46.148 46.060 45.712 47.973 185.893
9 Hungary
46.536 46.211 44.937 47.061 184.745
10 Japan
45.773 45.335 45.211 47.111
183.430
11
Italy
45.437 45.461 45.298 47.112
183.308
12
Greece
46.249 46.162 43.635 46.811
182.857 PEN 1
13 Germany
45.561 45.661 44.136 46.599
181.957
14
Australia 44.875
45.336 45.048 46.661 181.920
15 Canada
45.386 46.073 44.274 46.174
181.907
16
Bulgaria
44.799 46.136 43.499 45.762
180.196
17
Brazil
45.386 45.536 42.611 45.274
178.807
18
Uzbekistan 45.986
43.474 42.524 45.711 177.695
19 South
Korea
45.511 42.886 44.361 44.661
177.419
20
Israel
45.561 45.824 39.674 45.562
176.621
21
Kazakstan
44.225 43.499 43.148 45.449
176.321
22
Great Britain
45.574 41.737 42.735 45.699
175.745
23
Argentina
44.312 42.736 41.135 44.762
172.945
24
Czech Republic
43.998 40.536 40.062 43.761
168.357
25
Mexico
44.886 41.549 36.049 44.674
167.158
26
Belgium
42.161 38.586 39.762 44.162
164.671
PEN 1: 0.3 Penalty on
competition Ia beam for wrong working order.
PEN
2: 0.3 Penalty on competition Ia
uneven bars for unauthorized being
on
the podium during the exercise.
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 10:45:26
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
WORLDS: day 3, women, AA
1995 World Gymnastics Championships
Sun
Dome, Sabae, Japan
4 October 1995
Women's
AA Qualifying after all compulsories
Name
AA
1 Gina Gogean
ROM 38.799
2 Dina Kochetkova
RUS 38.762
3 Shannon Miller
USA 38.699
4 Mo Huilan
CHN 38.687
5 Lavinia Milosovici ROM 38.650
6 Lilia Popkopayeva UKR 38.562
7 Dominique Moceanu USA 38.536
8 Elena Grosheva
RUS 38.437
9 Alexandra Marinescu ROM 38.374
10 Jaycie
Phelps
USA 38.337
11 Svetlana Chorkina RUS 38.312
12 Andrea Cacovean
ROM 38.299
13 Simona
Amanar
ROM 38.298
14=
Svetlana Bouguinskaia BLR 38.012
14= Kerri Strug
USA 38.012
16 Laetitia
Begue
FRA 37.987
17 Mercedes
Pacheco
ESP 37.962
18 Monica
Martin
ESP 37.874
19 Oxana
Chousovitina UZB 37.862
20 Qiao
Ya CHN 37.824
21 Joana
Juarez
ESP 37.811
22 Claudia Presecan
ROM 37.786
23 Irina Boulakhova
UKR 37.550
24=
Elvire Teza
FRA 37.549
24=
Anna Nirgorodskaia UKR 37.549
26 Ludivine
Furnon
FRA 37.537
27 Adrienne Nyeste
HUN 37.536
28 Vasiliki
Tsavdaridou GRE 37.461
29 Svetlana Zelepoukina UKR 37.374
30 Yelena Piskun
BLR 37.361
31 Diana
Plaza
ESP 37.336
32 Isabelle Severino FRA 37.324
33 Risa
Sugawara
JPN 37.261
34 Soraya
Carvalho
BRA 37.199
35 Eugenia Kuznetsova RUS 37.099
36 Meng
Fei
CHN 37.074
37 Mao Yanling
CHN 37.049
38 Lambrini
Apostolidou GRE 36.949
39 Kathleen
Stark
GER 36.937
40 Miho
Hashiguchi
JPN 36.874
#
# #
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:48:58
PDT
From: ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject:
Bogi!
I am very happy that Boginskaya is back! She is one of my all time
favourites and a real master of
the sport. You can't keep a good man down
!!! :)
P.S-Has anyone
heard anything about Kim Zmeskal?
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Date: Tue, 26 Sep 1995 00:52:51
PDT
From: ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject:
World's qualifying and AA-questions.
1) Is ther
any 2/3 per country rule allowed into AA final?
2) Do they compete
compulsory and optional in AA final?
3) They compete comp and opt in the
team competition, right?
Thanx,
Helen.
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:55:39
-0400
From: ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:
Question about team finals
Will the groupings for the team optionals be based on compulsory
standings? For the women, will there be four teams
(ROM, US, RUS, CHN)
in the finals like in
Barcelona or six like in Dortmund?
When are they?
-Emily
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:03:30
-0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
World's qualifying and AA-questions.
| From:
Helen Crewe <hcre@LSS.CO.ZA>
| Subject: World's
qualifying and AA-questions.
|
| 1) Is ther any 2/3 per country rule allowed into AA final?
Three per country into AA finals.
| 2) Do they compete compulsory and optional in AA final?
No, only optionals. It's "new life" -- no
carryover of scores earned
during the team
competition. Only one set of
optional routines.
| 3) They compete comp and opt in the team
competition, right?
Yes. Men's
team final is Friday night and Women's team final is
Saturday night.
Rachele
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Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 12:37:39
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Gymnastics
Could someone please explain to me how the championships work.
1. What is the difference between compulsories and
optionals?
2. Is the judging any different
between the two?
3. Since a country can only have three people in the
all-around, who
tries for the all-around and do the scores start from
zero?
4. How is the team final determined? From the compulsories that are gymn
right know?
I just want to know how a gymnastics meet is supposed to run
I think that the public would also like to know. If there
is anything that I left out PLEASE tell me.
5. Does
everybody use the same movement and do the same routine in men's
and
women's compulsories.
6. If people are competing out of order, does that
mean that this has to
with determining the team winner.
Just
send me anything you know about a gymanstics competiton. It is
so hard to enjoy gymnastics when you have an idea about what
is
going on>
7. So people are bumped down when others
preform. Is it good to preform
early or
late?
When
96 comes I want to be ready.
8. Does anyone know of a television station
anywhere in the world who
is going to have coverage of every gymanstics session at the Olympics.
9. Who will be covering the session for Gymn
Thanks
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