GYMN-L Digest - 9 Feb 1996 to 10 Feb 1996
There
are 17 messages totalling 350 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. WWW page
2. Life after Complusories.
3. UB: The BEAT
4. Still need L. Podkapayeva's
music
5. just
a reminder
6. California
Gymnastics Clubs
7. Boys Team
& the Booster Club
8.
UGA/UA on t.v.?
9. Chelle
Stack
10. Non US gymnasts
11. Floor music
12. UGA/UA on t.v.? (fwd)
13. German giant
14. magazines
(2)
15. RSG - Rules for
different levels in the US
16.
Judging rules--NCAA's and squat-ons for bars
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 05:36:58
-0700
From: ***@RMI.NET
Subject:
WWW page
Gymners,
For those who
visit the Gymn page often: if you have it
"cached", then
please be sure to hit
"reload" on your next visit to the page to view
it properly.
Also, -- I have not received many new
submissions for personal WWW
page URLs for the
"Gymn People" page. This page is found by visiting
the home page and then clicking on "More about Gymn" and then
"People". Please feel free to submit your URL for
this page!
Rachele
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:38:08
-0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject:
Re: Life after Complusories.
Jeff asks:
>I
have been wondering about something. HOw will
national (US, RUS, CAN, etc)
>federations handle their national champs and other events
without
>compulsories? Will there be just a one
shot, optionals only event, or
>will it be a series of competitions? This has me wondering
how they
>will do this, since most use
INTERNATIONAL rules (kind of) to establish
>winners.
Anyone know what will be happening in a federation near you?
At
women's (December 95) and men's (Feb 23-24 96) Elite Canada the seniors
compete two rounds of optionals. The women competed Ib
on Day 1 & II on Day 2.
Since we haven't qualified a team to the
Olympics, there's no point in
competing
compulsories. This gives rising
juniors an opportunity to debut at
the senior year
without being in limbo for a year.
Another nice effect of no
compulsories would be that Nationals will be
about
a day shorter. :^) But there will probably be two optionals competed there too.
I'm more curious to
see at a more micro level the effect on gymnasts of not
having
to train compulsories. Will they
train the same amount of time?
Will the quality of optionals
improve? Will they get to sleep in
or go home
earlier? Go ask your
nearest elite coach...
Regards,
Grace
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:04:34
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
UB: The BEAT
Where does this word come from? Why is the move called a
"beat". Is this
an
old move or is some credited with its invention. I've always wondered
about
it since it was the mainstay of some many
routines a long time ago but is
gone now from most
routines since the bars are set wider now to allow
more
giant type skills.
Thanks.
Jeff
Usual warnings.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 11:39:13
-0500
From: ***@FREENET.COLUMBUS.OH.US
Subject:
Still need L. Podkapayeva's music
Still
looking for name/source of Lilia's music this year (what she used
during the floor finals shown on tv
last weekend). Please email if
this
has been answered before to death....
Mary
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:02:15
-0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject:
just a reminder
Remember, ya'll, the
official irc chats are Sunday at 2:00pm EST and
Monday
at 10:00pm EST, on #gymn on Dalnet!
Kerry
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 09:39:31
UTC-0800
From: ***@CS.UBC.CA
Subject:
California Gymnastics Clubs
There are Club teams at Sacramento State,
UC Davis.
at least two years ago there were.
UN
Reno I think also had a team
Chris
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 10:23:27
-0800
From: ***@SCE.COM
Subject:
Boys Team & the Booster Club
I've volunteered to look into
including our new boys team with our girls
team in
our booster club (Charter Oak Gliders - Covina, CA, USA). We're
okay
from a legal/tax perspective but I'm not sure about other kinds of
impacts. Our
current booster club supports 60 girls levels 5-elite and our
boys team is 12 compulsory and 3 optional boys. The first
thing I need to
do is gather information (both
factual and anecdotal) and I need help.
If you are currently or were
even involved with a booster club if you could
send
me some information (e-mail to me directly - wheelelm@sce.com) I'd
appreciate it.
1). Do you have boys and girls teams
both in your booster club?
Why or why not?
2).
If so, does it present any particular challenges?
3). Do you know the
average annual unit cost for compulsory and optional boy
gymnasts? (our girls
range from $600 compulsory to $2500 10/elite)
4). Optional: include
the name of your club and number of gymnasts supported
I will post a
summary to the list after I've done some analysis.
Thanks ahead of
time for your help.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 12:33:44
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
UGA/UA on t.v.?
Has
anyone here in the south found out or know when the broadcast of
the Georgia/Bama meet will air
today on SportSouth. Can't find it
anywhere
and no one seems to know. It was
stated in the Program
guide it would be on Feb.
9th.
Thanks.
Shawn
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:19:16
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Chelle Stack
This is regarding when
someone asked when Chelle Stack was
"big". Did you
watch the Olympic Games in 88? She was on the Olympic team and a very
good
asset and a National Team member!
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 15:55:20
PST
From: ***@AMDAHL.CO.ZA
Subject:
Re: Non US gymnasts
Another one is Christian Brzeanu
who was born in Romania but now competes
for South
Africa.
Helen.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:59:31
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Floor music
Does anyone who attended the Peachtree meet know what
music Jennie Thompson
uses? Also, will Moceanu
and Zmeskal have new music soon?
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 14:59:50
EST
From: ***@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU
Subject:
UGA/UA on t.v.? (fwd)
An article in the
UGA's "Red and Black" indicated that SportSouth
is
scheduled to air last week's Georgia-Alabama
meet at 10:30 tonight,
Feburary 9th.
Beth-
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message----------------------------
Has anyone here in the south found out
or know when the broadcast of
the Georgia/Bama meet will air today on SportSouth. Can't find it
anywhere
and no one seems to know. It was
stated in the Program
guide it would be on Feb.
9th.
Thanks.
Shawn
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 13:50:05
PST
From: ***@GEOWORKS.COM
Subject:
German giant
> Would someone please tell me what is:
>
1) a Shaposhnikova
> 2) a Markelov
>
3) a german giant (different than a front giant
or
> inverts?)
>
> Private e-mail appreciated if
these are too elementary
> (I could have sworn the german
giant was defined here
> before, but couldn't
find it in the digests).
Thanks.
Even
if they were elementary I'm sure it would benefit many people
on the list to hear descriptions.
Can't help you with 1.),but:
2.)
A Markelov is an over the bar release move. Some background:
A hecht is where you (from underhand
grip) release and fly over the
bar (it was an olympic dismount one year...).
A
reverse hecht is where you
release from overhand grip and fly
backward over
the bar, normally straddling and regrasp on the other
side.
This is the most common hecht
seen on highbar or uneven bars.
A Veronin is a forward hecht
where you do a half turn over the bar
and regrasp on the other side.
A Markelov looks like a mix between a Veronin
and a reverse hecht.
It
begins in the underhand grip like a hecht
or Veronin, but very early
(right
after the release) you do a half turn and then go over the bar
backward (usually straddling like a reverse hecht) and regrasp.
3.)
German giants are a dorsal cubital ("back
hand") grip where
your shoulders don't
dislocate. It is basically a
"skin the cat" position
(if you have
heard of that). It
is entered into by having an overhand grip
and
stooping through. Your shoulders won't dislocate in this position like
they will if you were in an underhand grip (which would put
you in eagles
or inverts).
A
similar grip is a Russian giant, which is the same thing with an
underhand grip.
A Russian is like an eagle or invert where you have a very
narrow grip to keep you from dislocating into the eagle or
invert position.
Both
of these grips are usually awkward to get out of because the
shoulders aren't dislocated, and you don't tend to see them
that much.
Dave
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 19:00:55
-0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
magazines
Fellow gymners,
I was
flipping through this month's issue of Mademoiselle, and there is an
article about eating disorders, well anyway (to make a long
story
short)...there is a quiz about different
'food attitudes'. One of the
questions is this, " Are you involved in a competitive
physical activity
(e.g. dance, gymnastics) where
thinness is rewarded?" Just
thought that
everyone might ponder over this
somewhat offensive thing.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 18:30:32
-0800
From: ***@UNISERVE.COM
Subject:
RSG - Rules for different levels in the US
Hi, originally my daughter
was scheduled to compete in the Portland, OR
Valentine Invitational. However, because of the flood, the trip
was cancelled.
I know that the levels and requirements of the junior
levels are different
than Canada. Are there any
judges/atheletes out there that knows the
competitive rules so that we can be prepared if we do
compete in the States
in the future.
Thank
you.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 20:32:16
-0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Re: magazines
Well, it is a fact, proven by many studies and much
research, that
eating disorders are much more
common in appearance sports. Many athletes
who
have disorders while in sports ackowledge the
pressure to "be thin."
That it is only one question of many
is appropriate, since there are
undoubtably
other pressures and factors involved.
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Date: Fri, 9 Feb 1996 22:49:59 CST
From: ***@MAROON.TC.UMN.EDU
Subject:
Re: Judging rules--NCAA's and squat-ons for bars
Just
for information sake since I've seen lots of discussion...
I'm not
sure how many GYMNERS know that the NCAA modifies the USGF (or FIG)
rules. So, for
example, a handspring front tuck vault has a Start Value of
9.9 for NCAA
meets, yet is only a 9.7 in age group.
There are also
modifications on beam (a
layout-step out is a "D" skill for NCAA) and on
floor ex the Popa remains a
"D" and the Rudi is an "E." With the modified
rules,
it is easier for the college atheletes to get their
10.0 Start
Values. Just thought
y'all (that from a Northerner!) should know at least
ONE of the reasons the
NCAA scores may appear high relative to age group
scores.
Also, squat-ons on bars. Internationally, one is allowed I
believe, but
beyond that there is (I think) a .05
deduction for each one. I'd have
to
go look it up specifically, but Myra, maybe
you're reading this and can
confirm that! In the age-group program we have the
compositional area
where we would tend to deduct
if we saw too many repetitive, low-level
connections. While a deduction is not "set in
stone," I think most judges
would use a
compositional area to separate the creative connections from
the mundane.
--Robin
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