GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jul 1996 to 10 Jul 1996 - Special issue
There
are 25 messages totalling 641 lines in this
issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. New Gym (2)
2. Comments on USAIGC's (LONG)
3. Ratings for Olympic Trials
4. WAG: Dina's FX at Europeans. (3)
5. Cokes and Calcium
6. Elfi
Schlegel in TV Guide (CAN)
7.
GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jul 1996 to 9 Jul 1996
8. Larissa Fontaine's dismount
9. Guys predictions
10. Correction to Kim Kelly Article
11. Final questions and comments on US
trials
12. Predictions: Mens
13. Implic's of Dropping/Adding Sports/Disciplines to OlyGames
14. Podium Training Tickets, July
17.
15. Dominique
16. '92 Women's Olympic
Coach?
17. GYMN-L Digest
- 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue (2)
18. ALISA BLOWS
19. Gymnasts featured in magazine
"Far Eastern Economic Review"
20. AG: Exhibition (2)
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 07:14:19
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
New Gym
It always seems like I'm asking for help from y'all, but here
goes again.
I'm looking for advice from those of you who have opened
up their own gyms.
How do you
select a site? What type of
building do you have? How many
square feet?
Equipment? Rent or buy? How much did it cost--and what year
was it :-)? Who
financed it? How can we do it if
we're not independently
wealthy?
The crap
we've had to deal with at our P&R program has become unbearable, and
we want to go it alone.
We feel we can improve the level of
instruction/training
tenfold. Problem is, we're all poor
for having worked
for the county for so long. Please e-mail me privately.
Help!
The
other Vanessa
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:22:23
-0400
From: ***@NORFOLK.INFI.NET
Subject:
New Gym
>It always seems like I'm asking for help from y'all, but
here goes again.
>I'm looking for advice from those of you who have
opened up their own gyms.
How do you select a site? What type of building do you have? How many
square
feet? Equipment? Rent or buy? How much did it cost--and what year
was it :-)? Who
financed it? How can we do it if
we're not independently
wealthy?
>
>The
crap we've had to deal with at our P&R program has become unbearable,
and we want to go it alone. We feel we can improve the level of
instruction/training tenfold. Problem is, we're all poor for having
worked
for the county for so long. Please e-mail me privately.
>Help!
>The
other Vanessa
If anyone who answers Vanessa could please also
privately email me as well,
I would be sooooo
appreciative. I am also looking for
these answers!
Thanks,
Conne
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:27:43
-0400
From: ***@NORFOLK.INFI.NET
Subject:
Re: Comments on USAIGC's
(LONG)
At 05:07 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>9.9 on
bars was well deserved. When's the last time you've
seen an
>international competition where a
gymnast has thrown a front giant full,
>double
front combo?? The other Gymstrada gymnast, (name
escapes me) gets the
>credit for hitting beam
when it counts most, after 2 previous falls from
>teammates!!!
The
other gymnast on the team competing for Gymstrada was
Kit Johnson who
competed as a level 10 last
year.
Connie
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 09:07:00
EST
From: ***@MCIMAIL.COM
Subject:
Ratings for Olympic Trials
It's possible someone posted this info
already and I blinked, but here
goes:
The
Nielsen ratings for the two hour, prime time Womens' Trials
finally proved
to the network suits that gymnastics is a viable prime
time
contender. According to The
Hollywood Reporter, the final half
hour of
gymnastics posted a 12.0/21 share.
And the total broadcast
garnered a rating
of 9.6/18 share.
Folks, that's top 20 performance
in this summer season. As a
yardstick, for the week that ended June 23, the number 4
rated shows,
original episodes of Primetime Live
and 20/20, each had a 12.1 rating.
And in that same week, a repeat of The
Nanny scored a 9.6/18 share --
good enough to be
ranked 13th.
All in all, not too shabby a showing
for gymnastics <g>.
Hopefully,
the sport can ride the crest of
the wave evidently (and likely)
resulting from
Atlanta, and finally get the airtime it deserves.
Melissa
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:39:17
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
WAG: Dina's FX at Europeans.
I think that this was a style issue. I
don't think the judges liked this
style of FX. Otherwies, I couldn't find error. She's just
incredible
and had alot
of difficulty (and 10.0 SV as I was told) in her routine.
Personnaly, I like her 1994 exercise better, but you have
to change
routines....sigh.
As for Marinescu's beam, she won JUNIOR BB, so they wouldn't show
it all.
With Fab in the lineup in Atlanta (possibly), Ithink the Russians could
do alot better than people are giving them credit. People have
been assuming
they would come up forth since that
is how they have done it in the past
two
Worlds. But it was *REALLY* close,
and the Olympics fever is
powerful stuff. DOn't be surprised if they take a medal *AHEAD* of the US
of A.
Jeff
July: Dina Kotchekova
appreciation month.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 08:44:26
-0700
From: ***@SCE.COM
Subject:
Cokes and Calcium
>Somebody wrote that Dom M had 5(!) cokes during
the optionals at Trials.
>Has anyone else ever
heard that caffeine "sucks" calcium out of a
>person's body?
I was concerned about this for my
own children and did a little research on it.
The caffiene
isn't the problem but the phosphoric acid used for
carbonation. From what I understand, the body must
use calcium to carry
the phosphates out of the
body. Based on this I don't allow
my children to
drink sodas that use phosphoric
acid to carbonate (such as Coke and Pepsi).
Check the labels, some like
Welch's and A&W don't use phosphates.
A source for info is
"Ask the Dietician (tm)" at
http://www.hoptechno.com/sportnut.htm
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:58:49
+0600
From: ***@COGNOS.COM
Subject:
Elfi Schlegel in TV Guide (CAN)
Sharyn Clarkson wrote:
>Elfi
Schegal was a Canadian gymnast in the late seventies,
I think she
>was an Olympian, maybe some
Canadian GYmners can provide some more
>detail.
Elfi Schlegel was
the 1978 Commonwealth Games champion and made the 1980
Canadian
Olympic team, which was boycotted.
She also won a bronze medal
on vault at the
1980 World Cup. She trained at the Xoces-Eagles School
of
Gymnastics, later Gymnastics Mississauga, under Mary Lea Palmer. She
went to
university in Florida on a full scholarship, competed in NCAA's,
and graduated in broadcast journalism.
She has had sportscasting contracts with CTV, TSN, CBC, and now
NBC.
She covers artistic and rhythmic gymnastics, freestyle skiing,
and
equestrian.
She was featured in this
week's (sold last week) TV Guide, Canadian
edition,
sporting her NBC Atlanta 1996 blazer and her recipe for some
kind of Swiss yogurt-cereal dish that she enjoys
eating.
Elfi is 32 years old, single, and
resides in Oakville, Ontario and keeps
an address
in New York City. You can probably
write to her at NBC,
Rockefeller Plaza, NY, NY.
Regards,
Grace
...from the Elfi generation...
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:21:58
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 8 Jul 1996 to 9 Jul 1996
In a message dated
96-07-09 06:04:29 EDT, you write:
<< AP surveyed "sports
editors, columnists, writers, sportcasters and
commentators"
to find out which sports they think should be dropped from the
Summer Olympics and which should be
added. Rhythmic gymnastics was the
3rd
least
popular sport -- 57% of those surveyed said it should be dropped. The
least favorite
was sailboarding (69% for dropping it), 63% wanted to drop
synchronized
swimming and 53% didn't like beach volleyball. 42% said they
wanted golf
added to the schedule! After all,
there isn't enough golf on
already.(sarcasm) >>
How sad. To think that people might give
credibility to a bunch of clowns
who have trouble
even naming a sport that doesn't have a BIG TIME
professional
program behind it. I, for one, would regret the loss of any of
the sports listed, but especially Rhythmic. The vast majority of this group
surveyed is so closed minded about what constitutes sport
that they seem
totally unable to appreciate the
artistry and the physical skill that go into
the
performance of any sport outside the small confines of their experience.
Come on, rating golf as a sport ahead of
the sports they want dropped?
GIVE
ME A BREAK. They
just want to get rid of anything they don't understand,
which,
ultimately, constitutes anything outside football, basketball,
baseball, tennis, and golf, with an occasional nod to track
and field in
deference to its role in developing
athletes for their favored sports .
And, while I am ripping the sports
reporters of America (isn't it great, and
rare,
when you actually encounter a sports JOURNALIST, instead of a reporter
who is prepared to regurgitate what information is handed to
him/her on a
silver platter), I must ask,
WHAT
IS ALL THIS GARBAGE ABOUT THE DECATHLETE BEING THE GREATEST ATHLETE IN
THE
WORLD? They seem to take this as a
clear truth, and beyond question.
Personally, I think that an All Arounder in artistic gymnastics has to show
a greater range and variety of athletic skills than any
decathlete. The test
would be how long it would take each athlete to achieve a levle of
proficiency at the
other's sport. The gymnast can far
more easily learn the
events of the decathalon than the decathlete can ever learn the skills
of
gymnastics.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:14:39
+0600
From: ***@COGNOS.COM
Subject:
Re: Larissa Fontaine's dismount
LizardRod
wrote:
>Someone mentioned that Larissa Fontaine had a signature dismount
off the
>uneven bars. Seeing as some how I've managed to NEVER
have see Larissa on
>tv,
can someone describe to me what it is?
It's a flyaway Arabian double
tucked. She does it with good
amplitude and
rotation
too. It appears to be as difficult to do as
the backswing double front tuck
(like
what Borden does). I'd like to see more women doing this
dismount -- getting a
bit
tired of the archy-backed double layout flyaways. Wouldn't it be cool if Phelps
did it in a layout? -- it'd look
just like her vault!
Regards,
Grace
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 00:03:46
-0500
From: ***@MAGIC1.ORG
Subject:
Guys predictions
We keep hearing about girls predictions but nobody
has said anything =
about the guys yet? I don't know enough to predict anything
but Yuri =
Chechi winning rings.....anybody
have any ideas?
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:26:08
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Correction to Kim Kelly Article
I want to thank Julia for sending me
the article on Kim Kelly. I
followed Kim's wonderful collegiate career closely as I am a
fan of the
Georgia GymDogs. Kim has much to be proud of. I am sure, however, that she
would be the first to want to correct a statement in the
article. Kim did
NOT win the
Southeastern Conference all-around competition. Lori Strong, of
the
University of Georgia, won with a score of 39.575. Georgia also won the
team competition.
Kim did tie with Jenny Hansen, of Kentucky, and Leslie
Angeles and
Leah Brown, of Georgia, for the floor title, with scores of 9.95.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:35:00
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Re: Final questions and comments on US trials
>Hello to all,
>
>Just
a few simple comments and questions in regards to the US Olympic Trials.
>
>2.
What is the purpose of the chalk markings on the side of a balance beam? I
>saw this at Trials and noticed it before. Are they for the
benefit of the
>gymnast or the judges?
The
gymnasts use it to mark on the beam where to start
certain
elements or combinations.
>
>3. Mary Beth Arnold's beam routine
actually resembled a floor routine IMO. It
>was
nice to watch.
>
I enjoyed her beam routine as well. However, I thought the
dance in her floor routine was lacking. I didn't like her dismal
music either.
Jordynn
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:35:03
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Re: WAG: Dina's FX at Europeans.
>
>
>As for Marinescu's beam, she won JUNIOR BB, so they wouldn't show
it all.
>
>
Oops!
Maybe I was thinking of Puerto Rico where they didn't show
her beam? Or
maybe I'm just hallucinating.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 10:43:32
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Predictions: Mens
The Japanese team will
have the best hair... at least 0.7 up on the field...
Their leader in this
area will be Tanaka closely followed by Hatakeda.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:41:10
+0600
From: ***@COGNOS.COM
Subject:
Implic's of Dropping/Adding Sports/Disciplines to OlyGames
Here's something interesting I learned
yesterday about the implications
of dropping or
adding sports or disciplines to the Olympic Games
programmes.
I was interested to know if other disciplines in gymnastics
(FIG),
such as sport acrobatics, sport aerobics would ever be added to
the Olympics.
Apparently, there is a "quota" for each sport and that
additional disciplines can be added only at the expense of
reducing
numbers of participants in the other
existing discipline(s) of that
sport. Artistic and rhythmics
are two Olympic disciplines of the sport
of
gymnastics. Swimming, diving, water
polo, and synchro are
disciplines
under aquatics; beach volleyball and indoor volleyball are
disciplines under volleyball; etc.
For example, sport
aerobics or acrobatics could be added if team
artistic
gymnastics is removed. The IOC
wants to drop team artistic
competition, so FIG
has a few major choices to make:
add more countries
into qualification for
artistic, add acrobatics and/or aerobics, add
more
rhythmic events or competitors, etc.
There is also discussion as to
where FIT (trampoline and power tumbling
international
federation) will merge with FIG (artistic, rhythmic, sport
aerobics, sport acrobatics). So, this may open up another barrel
of
monkeys too.
An exception to the quota
rule may be the addition of another gender to
an
existing discipline or sport. For
example, women's soccer (aka
football) was not
added at the expense of men's soccer.
Theoretically,
adding men's rhythmics would not reduce the number of participants
in
artistic or women's rhythmics.
There
is clearly a movement within the IOC to encourage gender equity in
the distribution of Olympic sports by adding sports and
disciplines that
have equal participation of both
genders. More women's events are
being
added than men's disciplines because the
Olympics were traditionally
male-dominated. Back
in the 1980's, rhythmics and synchronized
swimming
were added to "equalize"
wrestling, weightlifting, and boxing. For these
1996 Games, equity is
demonstrated by the addition of women's soccer,
softball,
triple jump, epee fencing, as well as mixed doubles badminton.
So, the
bottom line is that if anything gets added, it'll be either a
women's discipline or a mixed sport, or something will have
to get cut
back -- starting with artificial team
competitions (deemed as simply a
summation of
individual scores).
Regards,
Grace
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:25:39
-0400
From: ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: WAG: Dina's FX at Europeans.
OK, I'm sorry, but topredict the US will finish out of the
medals in Atlanta is pure...well, I'll be nice, and say
it is not a wise comment. I can support this.
1)
The US beat the Russians at Worlds last year even without
two top athlete and two others who didn't even make trials
(Dawes,
Chow, Borden and Powell). With the exception of Powell, all will be
in
Atlanta. and at top form.
2) The
Russians were missing only Fabrichnova from the squad
they are
taking to Atlanta.
3) The US had
many mistakes at worlds, notably from Theresa Kulikowski
and Mary Beth Arnold, the two athletes forced to step
in.
4) The US team has upgraded their difficulty and vaults and
routines
since last year.
Not only do I
expect them to be in front of the Russians, they should
challenge
for first. They are an extremely talented group.
(I also forgot to put
in that Shannon and Jaycie competed injured.
Sorry,
no backspace available).
Now, I'm
not saying the Russians won't medal. But to predict the
US won't is
silly.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:36:03
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Podium Training Tickets, July 17.
I have access to 4 tickets for
podium training on Wednesday, July 17.
If you
are interested, please e-mail me
privately.
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Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 19:42:48
+0200
From: ***@MAIL.TELEPAC.PT
Subject:
Dominique
Dear fellow Gymners:
Just
an interesting information for all Moceanu
fans -- and non-fans -- (I'm
included in the
former) showing that her popularity in the U.S. has been
channeled
to other countries. Last night, one of the Portuguese TV channels
aired the first of a series of daily programs about the
Atlanta Olympics;
they had a piece on female
Olympians and, regarding gymnastics, showed Olga
Korbut,
Nadia Comaneci and, the most promising American gymnast for
Atlanta,..... Dominique Moceanu (showed
one of her tumbling runs)!
I'll take the opportunity to inform that
Portugal will be represented in WAG
by Diana
Teixeira, who recently competed in the Europeans.
GO DIANA!
Isabel
F.
With regards from Porto - Portugal
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:26:36
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
'92 Women's Olympic Coach?
Who represented the role of female coach
for the US women's Olympic team in
Barcelona? Was it Rita Brown? If not, wasn't she there and what was
her role?
Thanks.
Shawn
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:31:21
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue
In a message dated
96-07-08 15:33:37 EDT, you write:
<< Kochetkova's
tumbling is good enough but IMO, there is far too much
standing around
and not a whole lot happening on the choreography side. I
think that this
is where the difference lies.
>>
Myself being a big Dina fan, I was disappointed in her
choreography. She is
doing the same routine, but has changed the choreography a
bit from the last
time I saw her FX, and you're
right, now there is a lot more standing around.
And her front handspring- rudi isn't lengthwise on the floor anymore, but on
the diagonaI. I thought it was very original to do it
lengthwise. I wonder
why she changed that.
Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I hope she
changes
her routine back before the Olympics, but I doubt she will.
Jenny
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:58:52
-0400
From: ***@VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU
Subject:
Re: ALISA BLOWS
Hi,
I feel the need to defend myself, and I am
sorry for taking up everyones
time
and space.
I said in my post that I shouldn't have been saying what I was
saying,
but I said it anyone.
First of all I
didn't misquote acrokid at all, and I have the
message to
prove it.
I was deeply affected by
his comments. I myself am very
thin, but I have
a friend who is a former gymnast
who almost died of complications from
anorexia and
bulimia. She was never fat, and her
coach was a wonderful
man who tried desperately to
help her. The cause was a guy in
the
standas at one of
our meets. After she finished her cault, he screamed
down and
called her a pig. That one comment
almost killed her.
I am a very sensitive person who would never purposely
say or do
something to hurt someone. It is apparent that that is what I did
to
acrokid. For that I am sorry.
But I would
hardly call me a pirana.
If people have responses
to this, please due it privately.
Alisa
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 20:07:53
EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Gymnasts featured in magazine "Far Eastern Economic Review"
The
July 4, 1996 issue of Far Eastern Economic Review has a cover
story about how top Chinese athletes are now looking for
monetary
awards beyond the glory of medals for
China. Gymnasts are
heavily featured, including a cover photo of Mo Huilan, and
interior color
photos of Ji Liya and Li Xiaoshuang.
A couple of disturbing items in the
article by Matt Forney:
The manager of Yunnan's women's gymnastics team
pays "a hefty fee"
to another gymnastics
institute to get a promising nine-year-old
for her
team. "She's young, so she
probably won't burn out,"
says the
manager. "I see a bright
future--I'm interested."
Although the best athletes, like Li Ning, can cut nice deals for
themselves,
things are so rosy for most athletes. A coach for
Yunnan says that since
the gymnastics training cuts into
school time, his
athletes' "cultural level is low." The drop-outs
can't even get factory jobs, and may wait years for
employment.
>>Kathy
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:59:35
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
AG: Exhibition
Will NBC be televising any of the exhibition events going
on prior to the
Games? I don't get TV GUIDE so I don't know. Any
comments.
Jeff
Dina, Dina, oh yeah Dina.
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:18:39
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: AG: Exhibition
i
don't think so...i saw the tv
guide for next week and all i saw was the
sports illustrated preview of the games and then the opening
ceremonies...
> Will NBC be televising any of the exhibition
events going on prior to the
> Games? I don't get TV GUIDE so I don't
know. Any comments.
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
Dina, Dina, oh yeah Dina.
>
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Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:47:15
-0400
From: ***@COMET.NET
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 7 Jul 1996 - Special issue
I originally wrote in
regards to what I saw as overscoring Pod on bars
and
floor at the Europeans, individual event
finals:
>> Is Podkopayeva the new
Cinderella that can do no wrong?
Sara replied:
>What are
you completely against Podkopayeva,?
Yes, I agree with you on bars,
>but some judges
don't see from our point of view. And on floor I thought
>Kochetkova's floor was simply not vibrant and was boring
she didn't have all
>the combined elements of
tumbling and dance and even the commentators thought
>that
she should win
>From this response and a number of others it became
obvious to me that
although Dina's landings were
better, a lot of people found Pod's
choreography
superior. I see what they mean, in
a way, though a couple of
her moves seemed a bit
cutesy for my taste. Other parts I
loved. On the
other hand, it seems everyone agrees Khorkina
deserved the gold on bars by
herself.
I
am not against Pod at all; matter of fact, I think she is a fantastic
gymnast. I also
think that of Lavinia Milosovich,
but there was no way that
she deserved a gold
medal on bars over Lu Li in the 1992 Worlds. And I
thought
Lavinia should have come in second to Henrietta Onodi in the
vaulting finals
in the '92 Olympics. And back in
1988, Daniela Siliva kept
getting
9.9s for her yurchenko full, which was always piked and not terribly
powerful
(compared to many superior vaults which scored 9.7 or thereabouts).
The
three above gymnasts are three of the gymnastic greats and I know
judging gymnastics is subjective. But still, all the gymnasts work hard
and
if someone pulls out a superior routine, I
wish she could get rewarded.
I'm
against choosing stars and then overscoring them.
Conversely, look at
Chusovitina: where are
all her vaulting awards? She sure
deserved more than
she got, in spite of the fact
she had a good reputation.
True fairness is just an ideal, impossible
to achieve, but I wish that more
gymnasts could
get justly rewarded.
Eaffie
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