GYMN-L Digest - 10 Jul 1996 to 11 Jul 1996 - Special
issue
There are 22 messages totalling 620
lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jul 1996 to 10 Jul
1996 - Special issue (2)
2. caffeine and calcium
3. Olympic Gymnasts and College (2)
4. CBC's Olympic Gymnastics Coverage
(CAN)
5. Unified Team (2)
6. Olympic Qualifications --
Individuals
7. Silly posts
about US not medaling at Atlanta.
8. Kathy Johnson/Julianne McNamara (3)
9. HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE
10. Wendy
11. Help!
12. Dear Gymn Guru...
13.
Possible TV alert
14. Piskun and hypothetical Unified Team
15. what
happened? (2)
16. I'm sorry,
but this statement really ticked me off!
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 08:20:46
-0700
From: ***@FLASH.NET
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jul 1996 to 10 Jul 1996 - Special issue
hello everyone,
with all this
talk of olympics, i was
wondering, which countries have
qualifified
individual gymnasts? I know that The United Kingdom has
qualified
two men and two woman. And portugal
has qualified a woman, so
what are the others? I
know that the team events are important, but I
wanted
to see what other countries will be there individually.
thanks
katrinka
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 23:58:36
+1000
From: ***@JCU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 9 Jul 1996 to 10 Jul 1996 - Special issue
Australia
is sending a full women's team
and two men. As
Andrei Kratsov the Aussie champ is injured (former
USSR
gymnast) the men will be Brennon
Dowrick and Brett Hudson.
The Rythmic gymnast is Katsumi Takahashi who won 5 Golds at the
Commonwealth games in 94
Thw WAG team has had some changes so this could be
wrong,
Ruth Monitz, Joanna Hughes, Lisa Moro,
Lisa Skinner, Jenny Smith,
Kristy-Lee Brown (could be injured), Nicole Kantek res-Geniveive Preston
Jade
Davidson made the team but has apparently had an injury and had to
withdraw.
Regards Sharyn
Attn Avril - Is NZ sending anyone
MAG, WAG or RSG?
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 10:04:09
EDT
From: ***@BIOMED.QUEENSU.CA
Subject:
caffeine and calcium
Just a comment about caffeine and calcium;
Caffeine
DOES reduce calcium absorption in the body; that is why people who
drink a lot of coffee/coke and have a diet with no milk
product have bad
teeth (in Montreal, we see this
happening with immigrants/refugees who
'discover'
coke once they are here - some cultures do not have much dairy
product in their regular diet). Of course a cup of coffee or two won't
make
that much difference, and 5 cokes on one day
as an exception won't either.
However, if you regularly have a lot of
caffeine and don't have any milk
product in your
regular diet, you might end up with teeth and bone problems.
This
information is from an accredited nutritionist.
Anne
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:53:43
EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Re: Olympic Gymnasts and College
Meg Heister asks:
>Also I
believe Dawes signed a letter of intent for Stanford, but then
>became ineligible ... does being accepted to a school for
sports and then
>not being able to compete
affect acceptance to school? How
about money
>wise. No more chance of athletic scholarship
has got to mean funds come
>from somewhere
else.
Although being a top elite gymnast no doubt did nothing to hurt
her
application, the rule at a school like
Stanford is supposed to be
that your acceptance
doesn't hinge on whether or not you're a
prize
catch athletically. No athletic
scholarship presumably
means that she'll go to
college like the rest of us do--with
other
scholarship funds if she's eligible, with her own money,
and
with student loans.
>What is the big attraction of Stanford for
girls no
>longer eligible for NCAA? Do these girls plan to go and
train/workout
>with team and just not
compete? I know Stanford is a top
school, but do
>some girls chose to go there
over a small liberal arts college or and
>Ivy league because of the
gymnastics even if they won't be competing for
>the
school?
Speaking as an alumna of both U of Chicago (very much like
Stanford, but
with a less temperate climate :-))
and Harvard (one of those Ivy
League schools :-)), I can vouch that for
many people, Stanford would be
preferable to an
Ivy, both socially and educationally.
(No flames,
please; this is a matter of
personal preference, not a slur on
any particular
school(s).) I don't recall if Dawes
has stated
publically what she plans to major in,
but whatever it is might
be a Stanford
strength. If Dawes was attracted to
Stanford
to begin with, there's no particular
reason for her to switch now,
except perhaps
financial difficulties. All my
Stanford alum
friends think as highly of the
school as I do of Chicago.
Obligatory gymnastics content:
My own
question is, can non-team-member students still get access
to use the gymnastics facilities, so that she could still
work out
for her own enjoyment even if she can't
compete for the Cardinal?
(If so, this might be another reason for Dawes to
stick with Stanford.)
>>Kathy
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 11:50:35
+0600
From: ***@COGNOS.COM
Subject:
CBC's Olympic Gymnastics Coverage (CAN)
For those of you in Canada,
visit your nearest McDonald's restaurant for
the
CBC live coverage schedule for the Olympics. It looks like they are
not going to be showing men's compulsories live, but they
will show
pretty well everything else including
the gala (exhibition) live. And
rhythmics
too!
And while you're there, don't forget to pick up an Olympic watch
for
$7.99. Fifty cents of the proceeds of each watch goes to Canada's
Olympic Team (not necessarily gymnastics).
Regards,
Grace
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 13:04:00
EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:
Unified Team
I honestly didn't think that Boginskaya
would have made such a team, but
her performance
at European's tells otherwise. My
seven would be
Khorkina, Kotchetkova,
Galieva, Piskun, Podkopayeva, Boginskaya, and
Chusovitina.
There are so many to choose from, though, including
Mirgordskaya, Fabrichnova, Grosheva, Dolgopolova, Knizhnik, the
Yurkinas, Sheremeta (who would challenge Chuxovitina
for that 7th spot),
etc. etc. etc. It just blows
my mind to think of the possibilities!
I
think I'm really glad that the republics
are competing seperately
now--imagine
the gymnasts we'd never get to see in competition--and I
wonder
how many great gymnasts we never did see in the past.
And last I
heard, Amy Chow was going to Stanford on a gymnastics
scholarship,
along with Larissa Fontaine. Does
that Coke ad make Chow
ineligible, and can anyone
verify that Larissa is going to compete in
gymnastics?
:)
Joy
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:08:18
-0400
From: ***@KENT.NET
Subject:
Olympic Qualifications -- Individuals
>hello
everyone,
>with all this talk of olympics, i was wondering, which
countries have
>qualifified
individual gymnasts? I know that The United Kingdom has
>qualified two men and two woman. And portugal has qualified a woman, so
>what are the others? I know that the team events are
important, but I
>wanted to see what other
countries will be there individually.
>thanks
>katrinka
>
If you go to
nbc's Olympic home page (www.nbc.olympic.com I
think)
and look under gymnastics, somewhere
there's a list of
how many athletes are competing
for each country.
I can tell you that Canada is sending six
gymnasts: Yvonne Tousek,
Jennifer Exaltacion, Shanyn McEachern, Alan Nolet, Kris Burley,
and
Richard Ikeda.
Jordynn
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:14:42
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Silly posts about US not medaling at Atlanta.
It seems that we (the
gymnastics community) now are plain expecting the
US to medal and I have to
say that with the home court advantage (i.e.,
look
at Spain in 1992) they have alot going for them.
Jennifer quickly
came up with several reasons why
the US will medal ahead of Team Russia.
I sent several comments back to her
privately but I would like to post them
to the
list since I think that they could provide discussion material.
1)
Russia was without Fab at worlds.
True, but they were also
without Galieva, who has improved remarkably and
her
performances at recent events only show that
she WILL be a top ten threat
in Atlanta. She can
add alot more to an already star filled team from
the
stary skies of
Russia.
2) The US was without top athletes at Worlds and still
beat the US.
True. But the athletes that were there were not so
dominating as expected.
Granted, the subs which
had to come in, though gaining valuable experience,
were
not up to par with the likes of Moceanu and Miller.
Miller was not at
her best and Moceanu
made mistakes, several. Miller and Strug also withdrue
from event finals.
All this does support the US as being weakened, but the
Russians were
having a bad time of it too. Without Galieva they
were
weakened at the margin of victory between the
US and Russia was only 0.016
points and the Russia
*BEAT* the US in optionals. It was Khorkina's
mistake (9.3) on beam which cost them the lost to the US in
compulsories.
3) The US will have its top athletes in top form for the
Games.
Maybe. Maybe Moceanu and Miller
will be at top form, but so will the rest of
the
world.
Other tidbits include the fact that Russia comes to the
Olympics with
a score to settle with the US. They
want to finally beat the US and there
will be no
better place to do that then in the USA! They are working HARD
to do it, too, and the addition of Fabrichnova
to the line-up only proves
that point. They want
EVERYTHING they got to go in there and win.
When ROMANIA went to
Barcelona, they had one objective on everyones mind.
They
*HAD* to beat the US and they did it. It was
a pride issue. Russia comes
to the US with same
goal. Along with fact that they are the only CIS federation
which could defend the Olympic gold, they are going to go
all out. They won't
hold back, and they have
nothing to loose since people have this myth that
the
Russians are the forth best team in the world.
Russia also has
the added avantage of actually competing in team
situations
far more that the US. They know what it
is like to have to get the job done.
They competed in Europeans and the
recent meet in Italy as teams. The US
lacks this
and, as everyone knows thanks to what K. JOhnson-Clarke
said
on WWoS, lacks a
team unity system.
Compounded by their recent results at Worlds,
Europeans, and various other
meets, this team
could be the big threat to the 'big three', so don't
take
them for granted, or assume, therefore, that US is simply better.
When
comparing the US athletes to the Russians, the russians sometimes
are
better. And they have two individual event gold medalists to prove it.
How
many does the US have?
Jeff
Dina, Dina, Dina.
I
may be wrong, the Russians could get passed by the US
and the Ukraine,
but imagine if they passed the
US? All heck would break loose in the
Dome.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 14:46:36
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
Kathy Johnson/Julianne McNamara
Does anyone know what tumbling passes
Kathy and Julianne used on
floor during the '84
Games?
Shawn
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:58:50
-0400
From: ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject:
HOME FIELD ADVANTAGE
How soon until the us
teams begin practice in the Georgia Dome? They could
really get used
to the equipment by the time the comp. rolls
around.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:37:58
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: Unified Team
larissa
does have a scholarship to stanford last i heard...and i think
amy does too...i
doubt that commercial would have jepordized it, or
why
do it when you have accepted the scholarship
already?
> I honestly didn't think that Boginskaya
would have made such a team, but
> her
performance at European's tells otherwise.
My seven would be
> Khorkina, Kotchetkova, Galieva, Piskun, Podkopayeva, Boginskaya, and
> Chusovitina. There are so many to choose from,
though, including
> Mirgordskaya, Fabrichnova, Grosheva, Dolgopolova, Knizhnik, the
>
Yurkinas, Sheremeta (who
would challenge Chuxovitina for that 7th spot),
>
etc. etc. etc. It just blows my mind to think of the
possibilities! I
> think I'm really glad that the republics are competing seperately
> now--imagine
the gymnasts we'd never get to see in competition--and I
> wonder how many great gymnasts we never did see in the
past.
>
> And last I heard, Amy Chow was going to Stanford on a
gymnastics
> scholarship, along with Larissa
Fontaine. Does that Coke ad make
Chow
> ineligible, and can anyone verify that
Larissa is going to compete in
> gymnastics?
>
>
:) Joy
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 16:56:41
-0400
From: ***@FOX.NSTN.CA
Subject:
Re: Kathy Johnson/Julianne McNamara
Shawn asked:
"Does
anyone know what tumbling passes Kathy and Julianne used on
floor during the '84 Games?"
Kathy Johnson
mounted with a triple twist, middle pass was a double
pike
and ended with a double twist.
Julianne
mounted with a tucked full-in, middle pass was a tucked double
back and she also dismounted with a double twist.
In
the all-around competition, Kathy over rotated her triple twist and
landed on the judges table - knocking over a can of
Coke!
Leslie
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 18:24:56
-0400
From: ***@HICOM.NET
Subject: Re: Olympic
Gymnasts and College
Very interesting topic, that of female Olympic
gymnasts and college...it was
certainly not an
issue for the majority of the '92 Womens' team, with
the
exception of Wendy Bruce...do we know if she
ever made it to college? I
sincerely hope so, since, as she said in a 'fluff' piece
during those Games, she
had pretty much devoted
her life to representing her country in gymn,
sacrificing a whole bunch (not the least of which was
parents' financial
security...) and her view was
that the very least she deserves is a college
education...
I
heard on the '96 Olympic Trials broadcast that Chow was headed for
Stanford,
but I am not sure if she will compete in
gymn on scholarship or not. So, that's
one
more to add to your compilation of gymnasts and their colleges.
And thanks, I didn't know that Miller was interested in
Stanford. As a
student-gymnast or as a ["mere";)] student?
Michele
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 15:49:30
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Re: Kathy Johnson/Julianne McNamara
Does anyone know what tumbling
passes Kathy and Julianne used on
floor during the
'84 Games?
Julianne-
tucked full-in
double tuck
double full
Kathy
triple twist
double pike
double full
In AA Kathy totally fell
out of her first pass ,flying across the floor
and
fell onto the judges who had the most
horrified expressions on their faces
as they
struggled to push her back onto the
floor.
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 19:11:00
EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject:
Wendy
Last I heard from Wendy, she was attending a college in Florida
while
working at Brown's. I don't think she's eligible for a gymnastics
scholarship
because she represented Alpha Factor back in '90-'92, I
think. (Remember the back covers of
International Gymnast?)
And Shannon can't be a student-gymnast, at
least not competing
collegiately, becase she's represented companies and accepted money.
And
Jaycie is keeping her eligibility intact. I've noticed that none of
Mary Lee's
gymnasts give up their eligibility, which is probably the
wisest choice.
Look at how Karin Lichey has done in her first
year of
college.
:) Joy
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:05:18
-0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject:
Help!
Could somebody PLEASE forward the digests from Tuesday July 9th
because
my server was down and I didn't receive
the digest(s) that day. Thanks
a
million!!
Corrie:)
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 17:48:10
-0700
From: ***@SHILAH.ENG.SUN.COM
Subject:
Dear Gymn Guru...
Olympic Gold Edition
Special Olympic Gold Edition Special Olympic Gold Edition
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NOTE: This is intended to be satirical
and a take-off of the popular
"Emily PostNews"
UseNet article. Please realize that
it often highlights
what *NOT* to do on Gymn, and is
intended to be educational, yet fun.
"Dear Gymn Guru"
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As
the 1996 Olympics nears, the whole world is in GYMNASTICS HEAVEN, as
there is much scheduled gymnastics activity circulating
within the ether.
In a few short weeks the jewel of gymnastics competition,
some would argue
of the Olympics itself, will play
itself out like a drama for the ages. And
where is
the anticipation, the excitement, more severe than Gymn? Where
is
the appreciation of gymnastics stronger than the Gymn
forum? Where is
the concentration of gymnastics content and admiration
greater than Gymn's
own
Gymnastics Forum?
This special addition "Dear Gymn
Guru" addresses the issue of avoiding
posting
pitfalls that might spoil a person's enjoyment of the Olympics,
get the list off topic or diluted with non
gymnastics-related trivia.
Q: Yo, Gymn Guru! I
just got back to the hotel from Olympics finals! Guess
who
won???????????????????? You won't
believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!
A: Whoa, there Jezabel!
Because of tape delay, most people haven't even
seen
compulsories yet and there you go giving us a sneak preview of finals!
In
this instant, you'd best use more exclamation points! And put everything
in CAPS! Better
yet, put names of the winners in the Subject line, so that
people that think they might not want to know see it anyway! Something like:
Subject: !!!!!! YURI
DOMOY WINS RINGS !!!!!! YAAAAAYYYYY
!!!!!!!!!
Q: Hey, Gymn Guru. Did you see that stupid Coca-Cola
commercial? It was
so stupid! Ha ha ha! I think they made it stupid on
purpose!! Wait a
minute. I
captured it using my special PC graphics software and video
board. Let me
attach an mpeg file of it. It's
REALLY STUPID...
A: Now wait just a second, Gus! This certainly is a completely valid
topic,
since Coca-Cola bottling company is
headquartered in Atlanta and the
Olympics are also in Atlanta. And CC is also a sponsor! But who are you
to
call a Coca-Cola commercial stupid?
I bet lots of gymnasts drink Coke.
Do you think they're stupid,
too?
Q: Speaking of Coke, did you hear that they call it that because
it used
to have cocaine in it, Gymn
Guru? Wow! What's up with that?
A: Yeah, I
heard that, too! Let's start a
topic on that one! Anybody
got the 411 on that?
Q: Excuse me, everybody. "BUTCH! YOU JUST PAGED ME BUT I FORGOT TO
WRITE
THE NUMBER DOWN! COULD
YOU PAGE ME AGAIN WHEN YOU GET THIS?"
Sorry to
bother everyone.
A: No
problem. I often use the forum as a
vehicle for reaching a friend
or two. That's what it's for!
Subject: Re: Something obscure
To: Multiple
recipients of list GYMN-L <GYMN-L@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
count me in!
A: Hey, you didn't ask a
question! How's Gymn
Guru going to show off
Gymn Guru's broad
knowledge if you don't ask Gymn Guru questions?
Subject: Hey, Gymn
Guru, have you seen this thing unrelated to gymnastics?
Top Ten reasons Boris Yeltsin may be Elvis:
A: No! You didn't post the list! Post the complete list! Attach all
the
headers! Thanks for putting it in
question format.
Q: How come they don't ever have any PowerBar commercials during these
gymnastics
things? I think PowerBars
rule! I could eat them all the
time! In fact, I
do! I see a lot of gymnasts eat Powerbars at meets
sometimes. They're pretty cool when they do
this. I know Shannon
Miller
eats them. At least somebody told
me she does. I LOVE SHANNON
MILLER! AND I LOVE POWRBARS!!!! SHANNON AND POWERBARS RULE!!!!!
A:
Cool. Every tried Pbars with Coke?
Yours
in Gymnastics,
-Gymn Guru
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:07:51
EDT
From: ***@BBN.COM
Subject:
Possible TV alert
This past Monday, the Bravo cable channel showed the
movie "Tokyo Olympiad,"
a Japanese
documentary about the 1964 Olympic games.
It includes about
7 minutes of footage of gymnastics (women and
men). It's mostly just
snippets of the top competitors, but the snake's eye view of
men's
high bar is interesting.
Bravo
tends to repeat movies, so check your listings. BTW, despite
what
your local TV Guide might say, the movie runs just under 3 hours.
TV Guide
is apparently using the running time for the heavily edited
version that mostly played the US in the '60s, while Bravo
is actually
showing the original version (and
letterboxed, to boot).
The gymnastics segment starts about 75 minutes
or 80 minutes into the movie.
>>Kathy
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:28:33
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Piskun and hypothetical Unified Team
Beth
asks:
> So
who would gymners put on a hypotheticial
Unified Team?
Khorkina, Podkopayeva,
Piskun, Karpenko, Kotchetkova, Chusovitina, Galieva
:-)
Mara
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 22:14:46
-0400
From: ***@OPAL.TUFTS.EDU
Subject:
what happened?
Does anyone know how or why I was unsubscribed from
the list? I just
stopped receiving mail one day
and I when I sent a message to the
listserv, it
said wasn't subscribed to the list. Did this happen to
anyone
else?
Melissa
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Date: Wed, 10 Jul 1996 21:39:03
+0000
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
Re: what happened?
> Does anyone know how or why I was unsubscribed from
the list? I just
If your mail is repeatedly bouncing, then the
listserv will AUTOMATICALLY
unsubscribe you,
without human intervention. This
happens quite
frequently these days.
To
everyone, please note that the administrative address for Gymn
is:
GYMN-L-REQUEST@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Please use that address for
any future subscription questions. Generally
speaking,
you can expect a much quicker response if you send your note to
that address, because your message will stand out, rather
than be buried
among the day's 40 gymn messages.
Thanks,
Rachele
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Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 00:34:07
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
I'm sorry, but this statement really ticked me off!
In a message dated
96-07-10 09:27:00 EDT, you write:
> What makes
>a
female gymnast stand out in my mind when I first see her is usually
>originality.
It's hard to be innovative on most of the mens'
events.
In my opinion, the men are THE innovators in gymnastics. Just
look at bars.
It was common practice for men to do release moves fully TEN
YEARS before the
women started doing them. Multiple
releases and direct multiple releases are
about as
far behind.
Does anyone remember a post a few months back to the list,
where it showed
firsts for men and women? First
double full, first tsuk and so on. Anybody
notice what proportion of those tricks were performed by men
first and how
long before?
Now before
anyone starts jumping down my throat, calling me a sexist, and
citing the few exceptions to the statements above, let me
say this. I'm am
not saying that men are better
gymnasts than women. Just that it is fairly
obvious
that the men do the lions' share of the innovation in the sport.
Dean
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