GYMN-L Digest - 11 Sep 1995 to 12 Sep 1995

There are 17 messages totalling 400 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. USA World Team Trials: Comments on Women's Compulsories (fwd)
2. <No subject given>
3. Subluxation
4. Carlo's Sabae article
5. Prize Money?
6. gyms in Dallas area
7. Questions
8. Sabae compulsories drawing
9. TV Times
10. Lets talk about JUDGES
11. Tanya Maiers (3)
12. Katie Teft
13. Books
14. USOC Coaching Code of Ethics
15. 1988 Olympics

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 05:37:12 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: USA World Team Trials: Comments on Women's Compulsories (fwd)

|
| > Heather Brink
| > (Dynamo) sublexed her toe (or something like that)
|
| She what??

I think I spelled it right, but not sure (I put it through spell check
and the computer suggeted "sublet"). Anyways, if you sublex a joint
that means it completely pops out of the socket. I only know this
because Bill Roth had the same thing happen at the Temple qualifiers
(to his shoulder) and so someone explained to me then what
"sublexation" was.

Reportedly Brink just stepped on it and it popped back into place.
When you sublex a joint, it is *very* sore afterwards.

I did hear though, that after the toe sublexation incident, Brink then
injured her knee. I have no idea how or what the injury was.

Rachele

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:19:46 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: <No subject given>

Does anybody know the name of male and female African-American gymnasts,
past and present. They do not have to be on the national team. Also
with the Olympics in 1996 will anybody go to the worlds in San Juan?
What would be the purpose? Also with the important worlds in Sabae, who
would go to the gymnastics invitational in Atlanta this year. Actually
only the teams who are qualified for the Olympics can come and I think it
is by "special invitation". I mean that only the "top teams" would be ask
to come even though others have qualified. I will have to check. The
invitation is in October of this year.66

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:37:01 -0400
From: ***@A1.CSOC.UMC.DUPONT.COM
Subject: Subluxation

Just a quick follow-up to Rachele's post. While her definition
is correct (dislocation), the term is subluxation.

Jim

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:53:28 +0200
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Re: Carlo's Sabae article

>It said that the championships will cost 1.5 billion yen!!! How much US dollars
>is that.

It's about 16 million US dollars.

Carlo

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:33:42 CST
From: ***@CHSRA.WISC.EDU
Subject: Prize Money?

Can anyone explain how "prize money" works for international
competitors? I remember hearing something once about a gymnast from
Spain -- I think it was Eva Rueda -- who paid for her training with
the $80,000 she won from competitions, and used some of the money to
set her family up with better housing than they would otherwise
have been able to afford.

Do gymnasts routinely get money for placing in international meets?
If so, where does it come from?

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 11:15:52 -0500
From: ***@SCS.TAMU.EDU
Subject: gyms in Dallas area

Hi gymners!

We are considering moving to the Dallas area and my daughter's big
question is "What gyms are there?".

We currently live in Texas, so she has seen a few of the gyms at
meets, but those were not USAG meets (TAAF, AGA), so we were
wondering if anyone has any information about these gyms and their
ASAG programs.

Thanks,
Starrla

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:52:51 -0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject: Re: Questions

> Does anybody know the name of male and female African-American gymnasts,
> past and present. They do not have to be on the national team.

To name a few: Ron Galimore, Dianne Durham, Betty Okino, Chainey Umphrey,
Dominique Dawes, Nekkia Demery, Joyce Wilborn, Kathy Williams (GBR),
Stella Umeh (CAN), Kim Hamilton, Corrine Wright, Dee Dee Foster...

> Also with the Olympics in 1996 will anybody go to the worlds in San Juan?
> What would be the purpose?

To win medals, of course. :) The '92 Paris Worlds attracted practically
all of the top gymnasts of that time. I don't see why San Juan would be
any different.

> would go to the gymnastics invitational in Atlanta this year. Actually
> only the teams who are qualified for the Olympics can come and I think it
> is by "special invitation". I mean that only the "top teams" would be ask
> to come even though others have qualified. I will have to check. The
> invitation is in October of this year.66

With the exception of the US participants, the '83 pre-Olympic
invitational in Los Angeles didn't attract any of the top female gymnasts
(an exception was Stoyanova, perhaps). And I believe the Atlanta meet
will be held in November.

Debbie

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:16:39 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Sabae compulsories drawing

Hi, in case any of you are going to Sabae or just might find this
interesting, here is the schedule for the compulsories in Sabae. The teams'
order were randomly selected in the presence of FIG officials.


*2-October-95*

Men's Round 1 9:00-11:00

ITA, FRA, CHN, KAZ, Mixed Group 3: ISR, TUR, AZE


Men's Round 2 11:20-1:20

TPE, BUL, ESP, CAN, Mixed Group 7: RSA, ISL, SWE, POL


Men's Round 3 1:40-3:40

USA, IRL, ARG, JPN, ROM



Women's Round 1 4:30-6:05

BRA, HUN, BUL


Women's Round 2 6:25-8:00

ISR, GRE, Mixed Group 5: SVK, LAT, AUT


Women's Round 3 8:20-9:55

UZB, KOR, USA


*3-October-95*

Men's Round 4 9:00-11:00

BRA, PUR, KOR, HUN, CZE


Men's Round 5 11:20-11:20

SUI, BEL, GRE, AUS, Mixed Group 5: NED, CRO, UZB, NZL, Mixed Group 6: SVK,
LTU, CYP, DEN


Women's Round 4 2:20-3:55

JPN, CAN, Mixed Group 2: POL, DEN, LTU


Women's Round 5 4:25-6:00

UKR, CHN, Mixed Group 1: PUR, NOR, MAR, Mixed Group 4: GUA, ECU, SRI


Women's Round 6 7:00-8:35

FRA, BLR, CZE, ROM


*4-October-95*

Men's Round 6 9:00-11:00

CUB, RUS, BLR Mixed Group 10: ARM, THA, MGL; Mixed Group 4: MEX, KUW; Mixed
Group 8: BAR, INA, VEN, ECU, GEO


Men's Round 7 11:20-1:20

GER, UKR, GBR, Mixed Group 1: NOR, AUT, MAR; Mixed Group 9: SRI, YUG; Mixed
Group 2: FIN, SLO


Women's Round 7 2:20-3:55

GER, KAZ, GBR, Mixed Group 3: SUI, NED, NZL, POL, THA


Women's Round 8 4:25-6:00

MEX, ESP, AUS, ARG


Women's Round 9 7:00-10:35

RSA, BEL, RUS, ITA

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 14:06:13 -0400
From: ***@BINGSUNS.CC.BINGHAMTON.EDU
Subject: Re: TV Times

Does anyone know if the team finals of Worlds will be on TV? In '89 and
'91, they were on ESPN. Anyone who knows, please let me know!
Beth =]

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 17:36:15 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lets talk about JUDGES


>How does the FIG (or the USGF) help to stop judge bias?

FIG and USAG both use a statistical system called JOE which tracks the
judges individual placing versus the placing by the panel of judges. As we
often tell coaches, it's the placing that is most important, not the actual
numerical score.

>Are the same judges used at the big meets (in US: Nationals and
World/Olympic trials and
>Internationally: Olympics, Worlds, Goodwill, now defunct world cup)?

Judges to use at national events are solely the decision of the USAG office.
For International event, I believe that each federation submits a list of
judges and the FIG selects from there. At that point a drawing takes place
at the event to decide who judges what and for this acting judges, line
judges, time judges, etc are all taken from this pool of judges. The have
rules about how many judges per nation and such, however.

>What precautions are made to prevent judges who like only certain styles of
performance or only >certain gymnasts from being biased (either way) and
having it reflected in the scoring.

Only JOE is used to help alleviate any bias. Before each competition,
however, there is usually a judges course where they talk about what they are
going to see and what is acceptible and what is not. The FIG has a great
video showing the techniques that they prefer and what is desired.

> I think it was Rachele who commented that Monceanu was over scored on VAULT
compulsories
>in both NATIONALS and Worlds. Perhaps she is just liked by the same judges
on that event.

I can't comment on being overscored, however, often the same or similar group
of judges may judge something like nationals and trials. Usually the judges
that have been selected for major international events (i.e. World,
Olympics) will judge everthing that year so they are completely familiar with
the process and are ready for the world.

Dean

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 18:21:32 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Tanya Maiers

I just thought all of you would like to know that Tanya Maiers has quit
gymnastics.


--jessica

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:08:19 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Katie Teft

Hi.

I haven't been able to read all of the messages recently because I have
been so busy with classes, but I just read in the USA today that Katie
Teft had to be carried on a stretcher from the arena when she fell on her
neck. They reported that X-rays showed no significant injuries...Did
anyone see it and/or have heard anything about her and how she is?

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:13:03 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: Tanya Maiers

Do you (or anyone else) know why or what happened?


> I just thought all of you would like to know that Tanya Maiers has quit
> gymnastics.
>
>
> --jessica
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:05:56 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: Tanya Maiers

HUH!

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 21:19:08 -0400
From: ***@NETINS.NET
Subject: Books

I was looking through some old stuff and I found some old gymnastics books!!
I found a seres called THE GYMNASTS by Elisabeth Levy.
Also I think I read about some book foreword by Shannon Miller. I have a
book called The Young Gymnasts
A Young Enthusiast's Guide to Gymnastics. I got It early this year. Its
kind of intersting!!


By the way does anyone know of any meets going on this year in New York??

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:50:34 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USOC Coaching Code of Ethics

The USOC has just released the Coaching Code of Ethics. You can read
this by going to the Gymn homepage of gophering /ftping to
ftp.cac.psu.edu and checking out the file in
pub/gymn/Other/USOC-Ethics.

Rachele

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Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 22:42:38 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: 1988 Olympics

Who won the women's all around in the 1988 Olympics?

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