GYMN-L Digest - 14 Oct 1995
There are 13
messages totalling 373 lines in this issue.
Topics
of the day:
1. subject headings
2. Shannon Miller
3.
Romanians
4. The Romanians
(2)
5. If You Want a
Transcript of 60 Minute...
6.
WOMEN: Re: The Romanians (2)
7. GENERAL ARGUMENTS - Re: Romanians
8. WOMENS: HUGS
9. some girl
gymnasts that I like (2)
10. 60 Minutes: Miller's Parents
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:18:06
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From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
subject headings
I like the current forum. I feel that we should just put
clear
subject headings on our postings. I know some people only have
particular interests, but I feel they can decide what to
read and
what not to throught
he current set up. Many of us are
interested
in gymnastics as a whole, not just one
part. For example, I am not
really interested in Men's Gymnastics, but sometimes I read
about it.
When I don't feel like reading about it, I just pass over
it. I don't
think
we should complicate things by breaking it all up. This is just
my
opinion, but I think many share it.
Even though I am new, I myself
will try to
keep my subject headings clear. I
am sure everyone else can
do the same.
Gymnastically
Yours,
Aaron
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 15:25:20
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Shannon Miller
Question:
What does Shannon Miller plan to do after the '96 Olympics?
I
know that she is unable to compete in college due to acceptance of money
during her career (making her a professional). I would hate to see her
stop gymn. I feel kind of bad for her. Maybe she will remain a top
level gymnast.....it would be nice to see.....
Aaron
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:38:26
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From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject:
Romanians
Well isn't Romania the worst team ever. God they have bad attitudes and
I
just _hate_ Gogean and her teeth are probably all
rotted that's why she
doesn't smile. And that
Marinescu
kid is sorta good but she'll
go to pot eventually so we hate
her. It's amazing how such a horrible team
has been in the team medals
since that bad gymnast
Nadia won the all around in 76, and won the gold in
team
champs for the past two years!
Obviously all these hudges who jusge
don't know anything
about gymnastics... or the very rich romanian
goverment must be paying them for
the results. I mean the only
thing
they do is consistently perform and not fall
off the apparatus. God can
ANYONE
imagine such horrible gymnasts?
Seriously folks I am from Romania and
I love the Romanian gymnasts. I
am
very proud of their accomplishments. It bothers me to see the animosity
shown towards them on this forum. Opinion is opinion and everyone is
entitled to theirs.
But I think people who post to this list should keep
in mind that the subscribers don't just come from the US,
and be a little
more sensitive.
Opinion
can be posted in a way that is not disrespectful. I don't care
if
you think the romanian team lacks originality. Say so. But to start
saying
such and such a gymnast is horrible and never smiles so her teeth
must be rotted.
Or to say that although you enjoyed watching Marinescu
she'll but she'll probably end up as horrible as the other
cause she is
romanian
bothers me.
Please keep this in mind while posting.
Monica
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 16:44:18
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From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
The Romanians
Date sent:
14-OCT-1995 16:42:16
Monica, I for one, feel
no disrespect toward the Romanians. However, I
think
the criticism that they don't smile or lack originality is vaild.
However,
they are good, and deserve what they have gotten ( I
will agree
the Chinese lost it in comps). I must point out though, I think the
rotted
teeth was an attempt at humor,
trying to come up with some reason that
Gogean
won't or can't smile.
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 17:13:02
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From: ***@USAID.GOV
Subject:
If You Want a Transcript of 60 Minute...
For those who want a
transcript of the gymnastics segment that aired on 60
Minutes this past
Sunday, you can call 1-800-777-8398 or write to the
following
address:
Burrell Transcripts
Box #7
Livingston, NJ 07039
If you write, enclose
$8.50 along with a SASE, and be sure to name
the
segment (Stars on the Parallel Bars) and the airdate
(10/08/95). No videotapes of this segment are for
sale, probably
due to the clips contained
therein.
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:42:11
-0400
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
WOMEN: Re: The Romanians
>However, I think the criticism that they
don't smile or lack
>originality is valid.
IMHO,
I thought the Romanians looked *much* happier than the US girls
after the team finals in Sabae. The Romanian girls were hugging
each
other (and smiling) while the US girls looked
almost suicidal. Does
anyone besides me find it kind of funny/strange that the US
girls'
hugs to their teammates look so strained
and fake, while the Eastern
European/Asian teams (from what I saw on
ABC) don't seem to have a
problem expressing their
feelings? Sorry for getting off the
subject.
:-)
Just my 0.02,
Debbie
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 18:46:47
-0400
From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: The Romanians
I figured the teeth comment was an attempt at
humor. All I was trying to
do with my first paragraph is show how someone from Romania,
a country
that has very little to be happy about
and takes great pride in the
acomplishments
of these athletes, might not be amused.
Anyway originality is a matter
of taste. I am so incensed over
the
affiar I've been
watching my tape of worlds again. I
could make comments
that the Chinese lack
originality on beam. Let's see they
all start with
a strength press, they all do a
layout, they all do about two Yang Bos,
and they all double back. But I just accept the fact that among
athletes
who train together a lot stuff like that
is inevitable. I admire them
for the elegance they bring while performing as opposed to
specific
moves. I love the Romanians for their strength
and consistency. Etc...
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Date: Sun, 15 Oct 1995 00:40:24
GMT
From: ***@TPONE.TELEPAC.PT
Subject:
GENERAL ARGUMENTS - Re: Romanians
>Opinion can be posted in a way
that is not disrespectful. I don't
care
>if you think the romanian
team lacks originality. Say
so. But to start
>saying such and such a gymnast is horrible and never smiles
so her teeth
>must be rotted. Or to say that although you enjoyed
watching Marinescu
>she'll
but she'll probably end up as horrible as the other cause she is
>romanian
Well, when
comments such those are posted then its because the romanians
are certainly
the very best and those who write disrespectful messages
are
certainly the most incompetents and ignorants not
just about
gymnastics but in their lifes too. (sorry if I am being
too agressive).
I must say that Nadia
Comaneci was known as the ice woman for never
smiling,
but I found that when she smiles she certainly got a very nice
smile indeed. Keep in mind that it is not a nice smile that
makes a good
gymnast.
Romanians are very good
gymnasts and if anyone dislike them then its
because
they got their own style and that is something that not everyone
can afford to acomplish.
>But
I think people who post to this list should keep in mind that the
subscribers don't just come from the US
Greetings
from Portugal, the nation who first denied Cristopher
Colombo
from discovering America.
We now realise that Spain should have denied him too.
Marco
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 20:07:12
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: WOMEN: Re: The Romanians
Remember that the romanians live together...they are like sisters.
Our
US team is
scattered around the country and don't have the bonds
that
the other teams do.
> >However, I think the criticism that they
don't smile or lack
> >originality is
valid.
>
> IMHO, I thought the Romanians looked *much* happier
than the US girls
> after the team finals in Sabae. The
Romanian girls were hugging each
> other (and
smiling) while the US girls looked almost suicidal. Does
> anyone
besides me find it kind of funny/strange that the US girls'
> hugs to their teammates look so strained and fake, while the
Eastern
> European/Asian
teams (from what I saw on ABC) don't seem to have a
> problem
expressing their feelings? Sorry for getting off the
> subject. :-)
>
> Just my 0.02,
>
>
Debbie
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:06:58
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
WOMENS: HUGS
The women of the US team ALWAYS been so fake with their hugs. I remember
seeing
this in BArcelona. They may be just concentrating. Bela said that
when the US won
Bronze in Barcelona, they looked mad, too. Perhaps
it
was the fact that again they have come in as defending silver and
ended up as bronze. I think that had they won silver they
would have
been happier.
Remember also
that alot of these "foreign teams" are alot more
friendly due to the
fact that they tend to train together alot more
than
does the US. I am sure that if the US team
lived together and trained
together (instead of
coming from the 4 corners of the US) then they would
be
closer. Perhaps this is the "real reason" why they are not so
close.
Last time I really remember the US not being fake was LA
'84.
Jeff
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 19:39:10
-0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
some girl gymnasts that I like
Svetlana Khorkina: I love this girl. Her style, her grace, her attitude,
her look....I absolutely love and truly enjoy watching here
on all
4 events, especially floor and bars. I like her on beam, but it
sometimes gets a little old with the twisting moves, but I
still
like it. I was
disappointed with her landings on floor at the World
Team
Comp. I hope to see her on Sunday's
telecast, sticking every
landing. The
words that stay in my mind are graceful and elegant.
She is not the only
gymnast I feel this way about, many others do. She is
just
the current stand out for me.
Chinese Women: Love 'em! As good and strong as the
Romanians
are, I feel that they might not be the gold
medal
winners in Atlanta.....sorry if that offends a certain madam...
Kerri Strug: It is
about time she got into the AA. I
feel so sorry for
how "rough" her career
has been (injuries & coach changes).
I think she
is an excellent gymnast and
only have optimistic thoughts about her future.
?Betty
Okino?
Where is she now and what is she up to?
?Marianna
Webster? Who is she training with?
(Steve Nuno?) How is she doing?
?Jennie Thompson?
What has she been up to and what is her status?
I would
appreciate replies to me both personally and in the digest. Thanks!
Gymnastically Yours,
Aaron
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:03:44
-0400
From: ***@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU
Subject:
Re: some girl gymnasts that I like
No Monseiur
rest assured. This Madam is
certainly not offended by your
opinion that the
Romanians are not going to be the gold medalists in
Atlanta,
although she certainly does not share. But hey the beam is four
inches wide and anything can happen. Regarding your private message
monseiur I have decided not to
respond to them via private mail.
Anything you don't feel comfortable
telling me in public you certainly
should not be
telling me in private.
Gymnastically yours,
the
Madam (rolls eyes)
>
> Svetlana Khorkina: I love this girl. Her style, her grace, her attitude,
>
her look....I absolutely love and truly enjoy
watching here on all
>
4 events, especially floor and bars. I like her on beam, but it
>
sometimes gets a little old with the twisting
moves, but I still
>
like it.
I was disappointed with her landings on floor at the World
>
Team Comp. I hope to see her
on Sunday's telecast, sticking every
>
landing.
The words that stay in my mind are graceful and elegant.
> She is
not the only gymnast I feel this way about, many others do. She is
> just
the current stand out for me.
>
> Chinese Women: Love 'em! As good and strong as the
>
Romanians are, I feel that they might not be the gold
> medal winners in Atlanta.....sorry if that offends a certain
madam...
>
> Kerri Strug: It is about time she got into the
AA. I feel so sorry for
> how "rough" her career has been (injuries &
coach changes). I think she
>
is an excellent gymnast and only have optimistic
thoughts about her future.
>
> ?Betty Okino? Where is
she now and what is she up to?
> ?Marianna
Webster? Who is she training with?
(Steve Nuno?) How is she doing?
> ?Jennie Thompson?
What has she been up to and what is her status?
>
> I
would appreciate replies to me both personally and in the digest. Thanks!
> Gymnastically
Yours,
> Aaron
>
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Date: Sat, 14 Oct 1995 21:35:30
EDT
From: ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject:
60 Minutes: Miller's Parents
Following is my summary of an Edmond, Oklahoma newspaper article
appearing in The Edmond Evening Sun, Vol. 106, No. 201,
Tuesday,
October 10, 1995; "Abuses Exaggerated, Miller's Folks
Say", by Terry
Tush, Sun Sports Editor.
Shannon Miller's parents described the 60 Minutes program as "a
full
twisting double-back dismount crashing to the
mat." While admitting
some truth regarding abuses in gymnastics, Miller's parents
believe
the news article exaggerates, pulling out
bad things and blowing them
out of
proportion. They disbelieve
allegations in The Book regarding
Karolyi, and
defend their own coach Nunno, described as the "Karolyi
of the
Nineties". Miller's parents
state there has never been verbal
"abuse"
directed at Shannon, although he did once lose his temper.
The problem was discussed immediately by gymnast, coach and parents,
and resolved without further incident. They also described Shannon's
experience in Japan, the pain (she called her mom the
morning after
hurting her foot and told her she
couldn't even walk, and doubted if
she could
compete), and her competitiveness, and the will to win that
is developed in gymnasts. That, says Claudia Miller, is what J.
R.
missed.
I am
unable to reproduce or fax the entire article. I suggest you
contact
the paper directly for a copy, if you're interested. My
observation
is that the comments demonstrate terrific parental
involvement
and concern. One would have a tough
time diminishing the
success of Shannon's
parents.
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