GYMN-L Digest - 14 Dec 1995 to 15 Dec 1995

There are 16 messages totalling 518 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Unsolicited e-mail ads
2. RESULTS: SE Asian Games M&W EF
3. NEWS: German Sportsman of the Year
4. Best Brits (2)
5. A MILLER ON BARS? (2)
6. Acrobatic vs Gymnastic
7. A Miller on bars?
8. Unsolicited E-mail
9. Miller ?
10. the "Miller" on bars
11. Poetry
12. Unsoliciated E-mail - answer
13. Amanda Borden
14. Retton endorses IBM

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 05:49:04 -0700
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Unsolicited e-mail ads

" with an "ABSOLUTELY NO MORE"! since then I've been getting more mail about
" various products/services. I never got these until I got onto GYMN-L. Is
" this coincidence, or is somebody at America On-line selling out e-mail
" addresses? I seriously want to know what's going on here! Anybody else from

Gymn's subscription list is private; we do not sell the subscription
list to anyone.

If you have ever posted to Gymn, or on any AOL board, or have a
profile on AOL, etc etc, it's very easy for junk mailers to pick up
your handle. Also, commercial services often do sell their
subscription lists so perhaps you should contact AOL. I get junk mail
on AOL often, but that is the only account of mine where it's been
significant.

Rachele

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:18:36 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: RESULTS: SE Asian Games M&W EF

I couldn't find any AA results on the newswires, but someone on the list has
said that '92 (?) Jr. US Nat'l Champ Lana Apisukh (Broadway Gymnastics), now
competing for Thailand, won for the women. That would make sense since she
also made a very good showing in the EF. Thailand has been dominating the
medals at the games in all sports.

Results are via Reuters and the event finals were held over 2 days.

Women's EF ...

Vault --
1. Au Liyen (Malaysia) 9.050
2. Auamduan Phojan (Thailand) 8.875
3. Cecilia Tanjbatco (Philippines) 8.775

Uneven Bars --
1. Cintamoni De la Cruz (Philippines) 9.100
2. Lanna Apisukh (Thailand) 8.875
3. Rattanaporn Khemtong (Thailand) 8.600

Balance Beam --
1. Lanna Apisukh (Thailand) 9.250
2. Pia Adelie Reyes (Philippines) 8.775
3. Lim Wai Chi (Malaysia) 8.450

Floor Exercise --
1. Lanna Apisukh (Thailand) 9.20
2. Pia Adelie Reyes (Philippines) 8.70
3. Wanicha Sritapanya (Thailand) 8.60

Men's EF ...

Floor Exercise --
1. Sattra Suwansa (Thailand) 9.45
1. Prateep Chantaravijitr (Thailand) 9.45
3. Jonathan Mangring (Indonesia) 9.35

Pommel Horse --
1. Sattra Suwansa (Thailand) 9.35
1. Amornthep Waeosang (Thailand) 9.35
3. Ricardo Otero (Philippines) 8.65

Still Rings --
1. Jonathan Mangiring (Indonesia) 9.60
2. Amornthep Waeojang (Thailand) 9.45
3. Ravis Sampoonachot (Thailand) 9.05

Vault --
1. Sattra Suwansa (Thailand) 9.25
1. Jonathan Mangiring (Indonesia) 9.25
2. Phateep Chantaravijitr (Thailand) 9.20

Parallel Bars --
1. Amornthep Waeosang (Thailand) 9.50
2. Sattra Suwansa (Thailand) 9.30
3. Ricardo Otero (Philippines) 8.75

Horizontal Bar --
1. Phateep Chantaravijitr (Thailand) 9.20
2. Sattra Suwansa (Thailand) 9.00
3. Jonathan Mangiring (Indonesia) 8.95

--Susan

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 10:18:47 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: NEWS: German Sportsman of the Year

The dpa (German press assoc.) reports that Andreas Wecker came in 7th, with
867 votes, in it's "Sportsman of the Year 1995" voting.

At his 7th World Championships (plus 2 Olympics) Wecker won his first *gold*
medal in Sabae, on the high bar. He is also the reigning German National
Champion.

--Susan

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 09:24:32 CST
From: ***@ADMIN.STEDWARDS.EDU
Subject: Best Brits

This question goes out to our friends in the UK, though anyone on the list
should feel free to state his or her opinion...

Neil Thomas is probably the best male gymnast to emerge from Britain, relative
to other gymnasts in the international scene. But who do you think is the best
female that Britain has produced, in relation to other international stars of
her respective time? Avril Lennox? Karen Robb? Kathleen Williams? Susan
Cheesborough? Sarah Mercer?

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. I have always felt that the British
girls were somewhat underscored in the international scene.

Cole

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:24:06 GMT
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Re: Best Brits

> But who do you think is the best female that Britain has produced

My pick will be Hayley Price of the 1980s when I think she was twice
British Champion. Can't really think why I chose her since as you
people know, there had never been any world famous British female
gymnasts... Annika Reeder may be a bit famous now when she became the
first British woman to qualify for an apparatus final in a major
championships (Europeans'94) but her other pieces were not too
clever.

Sherwin

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:39:41 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: A MILLER ON BARS?

I WAS RECENTLY WATCHING 1995 WORLD TRIALS FOR SABAE, AND THE DITZY
COMMENTATER (MAURA DRISCOL?) SAID THAT THE HOP FULL ON BARS IS CALLED THE
MILLER-CAN ANYONE VERIFY THHIS?

ALEX

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 14:48:46 -0800
From: ***@SCE.COM
Subject: Acrobatic vs Gymnastic

I'm a gymanstics mom and was reading the proposed USGA Level 7 changes and
had trouble understanding some of the requirements. The series' for beam
and floor referred to acrobatic elements with and without flight and
gymnastics elements. Could someone give me an explanation of the difference
between them? In your explanation if you could give examples of lower
level skills that would be typical it would help me (and my daughter) a
lot.

Thanks . . . Louise

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:46:16 -0600
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: A MILLER ON BARS?


> I WAS RECENTLY WATCHING 1995 WORLD TRIALS FOR SABAE, AND THE DITZY

Who, Mara? hehehe. I still think she should be off the air. But, as
far as I can tell, she was right in this instance. It is called the
Miller. Or, at least, other announcers are saying it, too.

> COMMENTATER (MAURA DRISCOL?) SAID THAT THE HOP FULL ON BARS IS CALLED THE
> MILLER-CAN ANYONE VERIFY THHIS?
>
> ALEX
>

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 19:15:41 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: A Miller on bars?

>... watching 1995 World Trials ... said that the hop full on bars is called
the Miller
> Can anyone verify this?

Actually, it's commonly called a "Thomas hop" after Kurt Thomas, who first
performed the skill on high bar. The first women credited in the code with
competing it is Oksana Chusovitna (UZB).

Miller *was* one of the first high profile athletes to begin using it in
world competition and it is often mis-named as a "Miller," much as the
Rulfova (full twisting back straddle down on beam) was often credited to
Shushunova when she popularized it in the late '80s.

--Susan

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:14:03 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Unsolicited E-mail

To all:
I, too, have been flooded with E-mail from that "Cyber-Promo." And I,
too, have sent E-mail to their removal service, only to still be on their
mailing list day after day.
I'm really ticked off at these people.
Here's what I did, and everybody else on that company's mailing list
should do the same thing: Call this company's 1-800 number. This number is
supposed to be the number you call if you want a salesperson. Call it anyway,
though, and tell the salesperson in no uncertain terms you want your name off
the mailing list. If the salesperson tries to put you off, ask to speak to
the person in charge. Be adamant about it.
I already called the number tonight and got sent to an answering
machine. I left a stern message, complete with my E-mail address. I also told
them that if I was not taken off the list, I was contacting the state
Department of Consumer Affairs (which deals with junk mail, which this is).
Anyhow, the number for the salespeople is: 1-800-650-9110.
--- Ronald

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 20:17:29 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Miller ?

I think that it should be called a Thomas Hop and not a Miller or
any other name. To me, a new move should be a new move, and the
creater/first performer should get credit. They shouldn't call old moves
transfered to other apparatus a different name! That should be reserved
for only absolutely new moves.


A cartwheel is a cartwhell, regardless if it is done on beam or floor.


Jeff

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:17:00 PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: the "Miller" on bars

When Oksana Chusovitina performed this at the 1991 Worlds, she
did the hop full directly into her dismount of 1/2 in - 1/2 out.

It might have been a full-out.. I havent slow-mo'd it or anything.

Lets see Miller try that.

-PJ

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:19:00 PST
From: ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Poetry

Here's a poem I wrote about gymnastics:

Its called Catwoman..

Pug Hristova
Teammate to Mitova
Maja to you
I will stag leap across your room
Lemme out! Your bedspread is ugly

Get those bars away from me - HISSSSS
I don't do RELEASES
I don't do drugs
Thats not my urine

I am a nightmare
Prancing around in your head
Better not go to bed
I might hurt you
Might paint your face red - or teal

Why was I born squat
No rhythmic career ahead
Who knows?
Just score me 8.95
and let me lie awake in bed

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 17:43:22 -0800
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Unsoliciated E-mail - answer

Here is your answer. It is easy, cheap and will only get worse.

Sorry - Eric

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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 21:27:40 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Amanda Borden

I am trying to find information on Amanda Borden, but hardly anybody knows
anything about her. I would love a bio. and any personal stuff anybody knows,
like an e-mail address or what she looks for in a guy : ) Please help!


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Date: Thu, 14 Dec 1995 23:46:18 -0400
From: ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Retton endorses IBM

A colleague of mine got some IBM propaganda yesterday that features a blurb
that Mary Lou Retton endorses their credit card ethernet (or was that modem?)
adapters. Does she even know what it is? ;^)

What else is she up to these days?

Grace


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