GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jun 1996 - Special issue

There are 24 messages totalling 617 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Dom M on Today
2. Gogean - Euros...
3. New Member Intro
4. The Kathy Johnson Drinking Game
5. Campeonato de Espana de GAF-Spanish Women Champs (WAG)
6. USA Champs - Weighted Scores
7. More petitioning
8. Europeans
9. Europeans- coverage and Floor
10. Kathy Johnson on Dina Kotchekova (3)
11. This month's IG (2)
12. FIG WEB SITE (just curious)
13. Thanks for correcting me.....
14. Full-twisting FF on beam
15. Dynamo "Hair Scrunchers"
16. compulsory draws
17. Nationals weighted scoring...
18. compulsory draw correction
19. Moceanu
20. GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue
21. Thanks

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:18:22 -0500
From: ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Dom M on Today

I'm watching the Today show right now and there was just a feature on Dom M.
Talking about her attemptingt to petition on to the Olympic Team because of a 4
inch fracture in her leg. They showed a taped interview and she talked about
how much she wanted to compete. At the end the stand in female host who did
the interview was talking to Bryant and saying how the us wants her on the team
so they will let her national scores stand. Then Bryant ask if the judges at
trial might play with the scores so no one would knock her off the team and the
lady confirmed they just might since it's a subjective sport. It was also
mentioned about a thousand times how she was one of the stars, etc, etc.

-Meg

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 07:41:24 -0400
From: ***@FOX.NSTN.CA
Subject: Gogean - Euros...

Joy was wondering about Gogean's fall from bars during team competition at
the Europeans. She was winding for her dismount and peeled off the bar in
a similar fashion to that of Moceanu during bar finals at 95 Nationals.
I think she just managed a tuck off and landed with a thud on the mat.

Khorkina is *still* performing her FX routine to Carmen.

I thought Milosovici's FX routine was 100% improved from PR Worlds. I
cringed when I first watched it but I would honestly have to say now that
she deserved the FX title outright at Euros as Podkopayeva had three errors in
her
tumbling. She is in the best shape that she has been in since Barcelona
and her swing on bars has improved also. If she can improve her vault and
beam routine, she has a definite shot for an all-around medal in Atlanta.

Btw, Kochetkova now vaults a Yurchenko 1 1/2 but landed poorly during the
all-around. She did land it well in the event finals though.

Leslie

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:55:25 -0400
From: ***@AIX2.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Re: New Member Intro

Hello there!

My name is Nikki and I'm a 19-year-old college sophomore who
is studying Translation (French and Russian) at the University of Ottawa.
I just got on this Internet thing a couple months ago, but of course I
started lurking around the Gymn files as son as I found them. Great forum
you guys have! Anyway, I've never actually competed gymnastics myself
(due to complete lack of talent), but have been a fanatical follower of
the sport since the Barcelona Olympics. That was my epiphany. So with
that, I leave you all till later.


Nikki

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:03:34 -0400
From: ***@AIX2.UOTTAWA.CA
Subject: Re: The Kathy Johnson Drinking Game

THE KATHY JOHNSON DRINKING GAME




You know the ground rules. Mosey on down to the bar and name your
poison. Turn the telly to ABC gymnastics coverage (or just pop in a
tape), pick a gymnast and drink according to these rules:


*If you pick Lilia Podkopayeva or Shannon Miller, take a sip every time
Kathy talks about how incomparable she is to every other gymnast.

*If the gymnast is know to be one Kathy Jonson dislikes, such as the
Romanians or Dina Kochetkova, everyone has to drink.

*The same applies whenever Kathy mentions toe point.


Everyone has to drink every time Kathy utters the following phrases:

* "Look at her fight for that landing!"

* "She really needs to stick that landing!"

* "She needs to know what that feels like..." (after a gymnast falls on
some new skill)

* "Podkopayeva is so picture perfect on beam, it's like you have a camera
capturing every move."

* "The Romanians might not have the really big skills, but they have
*well-designed* routines that are all worth 10s"

* "If you didn't already have enough respect for Shannon Miller, I sure
you're gainin' it now."


And if Kathy says:

* "Anything less than a 9.9 is too low a mark to give Shannon Miller..."


EVERYBODY'S GOTTA CHUG!!!

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:00:18 +-200
From: ***@JET.ES
Subject: Campeonato de Espana de GAF-Spanish Women Champs (WAG)

Resultados del Campeonato de Espana Individual de G.A.F.
13-16 de junio 1.996
Vilanova (Barcelona)

Women Spanish Championship Results
16-16 June 1.996
Vilanova (Barcelona)


SENIOR

Nombre Club Salto/ Paral. Barra Suelo TOTAL
Name Vault U.bars Beam Floor A.Around

Joana JUAREZ Foixarda 19,510 19,700 19,050 19,250 77,510
Diana PLAZA San Blas 19,200 19,350 18,950 19,025 76,525
V. CASTRO Covadonga 19,050 18,250 18,900 18,950 75,150
G. PAZ San Blas 19,260 18,300 18,175 19,275 75,010
L. FERNANDEZ Covadonga 18,950 17,900 18,600 18,500 73,950


JUNIOR

1. Susana GARCIA Foixarda 37.570
2. Ainhoa AGUADO Foixarda 36.695
3. Jennifer MONTAVEZ San Blas 36.270
4. Paloma MORO Cecilia Gomez 35.895
5. Flor MORILLA Covadonga 35.145
6. Rebeca TOLEDANO E. Castane 35.100
7. Nahia SANZO Urgatzi 32.350

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:12:25 -0400
From: ***@PHARM.MED.UPENN.EDU
Subject: Re: USA Champs - Weighted Scores

Actually, the 60%/40% is only effective here in the US, it is used to help
give the athletes incentive to work harder on the compulsories. The score
submitted to the Olympic committee for those qualifying to the games will
be 50/50. Also, the draw for the olympics was done after Sabae. The order
of team competition has NOTHING to do with qualifying scores. What
happened is that after World's, where the determined which teams were going
to compete in the games, they entered the names into a computer, called in
reps from all the countries to be drawn and drew the rotation order (yes,
although it has not been released, the officials know which teams will be
in the morning, etc. and it is not allowed to be released to the public
because they don't want people only coming to the US events)

Mayland



>On Sun, 16 Jun 1996, Michele wrote:
>
>> Name VT UB BB FX AA Weighted
>> Shannon Miller 9.875 9.800 9.800 9.875 39.350 47.220
>> Dynamo 9.900 9.850 9.300 9.900 38.950 31.160
>> 78.380
>>
>> What the heck is this 'Weighted' score? Don't they just take the AA totals
> for
>> comps and optionals and add them together?
>I think this is why:
> Nationals are weighted 60% compulsories, 40% optionals. This is
>to ensure that the US has a legitimate shot at a good team score by
>qualifying to the latest team finals round as they possibly can. the top
>four teams in compulsories make the final team competition, and they are
>the only ones who have decent shots at medals, since the highest scores
>tend to be given out at the latest round.
>
>Cara

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:15:40 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: More petitioning

I just wondered, if DomM and Shannon don't compete at the trials,
will the gymnasts who placed 15th and 16th at USA's be invited to trials?
I remember that in 1992, Traci Sommer was added to the field after Campi
withdrew, even though Campi's USA's score was used to determine her final
ranking, and even though Miller's petitioning to the trials already added
another gymnast to the field.
ANother comment: As much as I think Moceanu shouldn't be allowed
to petition straight to the Olympic team, as long as both petitions are
confirmed before the trials it will be better than it was in 1992. One of
the problems then was that Betty Okino's petition was still up in the air
as I recall, so for example Borden had to train in limbo, wondering
whether she'd be invited to the training camp. If Miller and Moceanu are
confirmed in their petitions before trials begin, the top 5 from trials
will know they will compete and there will be no confusion.
Chris.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 08:19:32 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Europeans

Words can't describe how great Boguinskaia's performance was. With 95% of
the gymnasts working the code, Boguinskaia does it the best, with the
cleanest form, and the most extension. Amplitude anyone? She is the only
person since Sylvia Mitova to have actual beam choreography...

I've always thought that if we could just teach Bogy a front-full, she'd be
competitive again.. and voila...

Now to teach Vanda Hadarean to do one....

Love,
Me

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:30:20 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Europeans- coverage and Floor

Coverage: I don't understand why people think that the Europeans coverage was
good! It was awful! Besides having that section of running in the middle of
the all around, it can be compared to last year's European cup, also on WWoS.
Last year, they showed the fifth place finisher (Gogean) on 3 out of the 4
events, even after she fell off beam. At the European Champs this year, the
fifth place finisher (Dina) wasn't shown once, or even mentioned! (Not even
on the final score board: it showed 1st through 4th place, then skipped to
6th.) Also last year, they continued to show another routine after the
gymnast fell (Gogean, Dina) whereas this year, after Khorkina fell, it was
like she dropped off the face of the earth. (OK, I'm exaggerating)

floor routines: I was so disapointed in Amanar's routine. Not with the
tumbling, of course, she's the best (back) tumbler I've ever seen. But her
music and dance was just terrible. (this may be why she scored so low) It's
even more sad because you can tell by watching her routine that she *can*
dance. If she had a nicely choreographed routine, she would be unbeatable on
that event. I was also mildly disapointed in Pod's music. Her dance and
tumbling was gorgeous, but the music somehow just didn't seem right. And
maybe I'm alone on this one, but I liked Bogi's floor. I'm tired of the
constant bounce of floor routines (eg Amanar) and I thought it was refreshing
to see someone slow down, even if she did have to stand around during some
points. And she had great music, too. Did anyone else think she was way
ahead of her music during her routine? Maybe this is why she seemed to be
standing around.... she was waiting for her music to catch up :)

Sorry, I didn't realize this got so long....

Jenny

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:58:48 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Kathy Johnson on Dina Kotchekova

I meant that during the 1996 San Juan broadcast, It appeared to me that
Kathy was down playing Dina's routine on BB compaired to Dawes. Kathy
always shows alot of favoritism for the USA (and I am sure that may be
due to her many years on the US national team) and she seemed almost
not impressed with the level of difficulty and execution Dina's routine
had in it. She did say "well, its hard to argue with perfection" about
her routine, but she just didn't seem 'into' it as she was with
Dawes.


BTW: Two more things about Euro '96:


1) Khorkina did a step down to full twisting FF. She shouldn't
get bonus for that since Teza (I Think) doesn't get bonus for
her tic-toc Onodi.

2) Khorkina was not the first person to do the full twisting
FF on BB. Dina has been doing since 1994 (Goodwill) and so far,
to date, is the *ONLY* gymnast I have ever seen tumble *OUT*
of a full twisting acrobatic skill on BB. Does anyone know of
anyone else who has done a similar sequence? And, her full-
twisting ff mount is not orginial, either. That was first
done by the italian gymnast Lucconi back at the 1984 Junior
European and is credited to her in the code. Plus Khorkina's
dismount is not original. US national team member Doe Yamishiro
used to do this in the late '80s. Just wanted to clarify those
moves in case anyone askes or wondered.


Jeff


Dina, Dina, Dina.


P.S. Didn't Amanar step out on FX? wasn't that the case that was talked about
awhile ago?

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:46:17 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: This month's IG

I think this may have been mentioned before, but a photo of Lisa
Simes from Michigan (former Canadian team member) is erroneously captioned
as another former Canadian team meber, Jennifer Wood. Also, I don't think
the AA results are complete/correct; I don't see Lisa Simes' name in there
and I know she did all four events and got a good AA total (high 38 or low
39). I don't see Stella Umeh or Leah Homma in there either; didn't they
do all events?
There is also an error in the PUR worlds coverage of women's FX:
it says Paz tumbled a double layout mount and piked full-in dismount (is
this what Vassou did and was it just the name they got wrong?) when Paz
actually opened with whip to triple-full and ended with another triple
full. In any case, it's disappointing that they can't get all their facts
straight.
Chris.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:15:57 +0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: Kathy Johnson on Dina Kotchekova

2) Khorkina was not the first person to do the full twisting
FF on BB. Dina has been doing since 1994 (Goodwill) and so far,
to date, is the *ONLY* gymnast I have ever seen tumble *OUT*
of a full twisting acrobatic skill on BB.

DIdn't Khorkina used to tumble out of her full-twisting ff mount?

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:27:03 -0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Kathy Johnson on Dina Kotchekova


> 2) Khorkina was not the first person to do the full twisting
> FF on BB. Dina has been doing since 1994 (Goodwill) and so far,
> to date, is the *ONLY* gymnast I have ever seen tumble *OUT*
> of a full twisting acrobatic skill on BB.
>
> DIdn't Khorkina used to tumble out of her full-twisting ff mount?

Khorkina still tumbles out of her Lucconi mount (two ffs; she used
to do ff-layout out of it). I don't know how long Dina has been using the
full-twising ff in her routine, but Khorkina did a cartwheel gainer-ff in
her routine at 1993 Junior Europeans (as well as a cartwheel gainer
layout-full(!) which she missed).
Chris.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:12:27 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: FIG WEB SITE (just curious)

Does anybody know why the FIG does not have a web site. There are
Web sites for FINA (swimming water polo etc), FIFA( soccer), and IAAF
(track and field). There are also web sites for baseball and basketball.
IOC even has a web site.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:12:14 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: This month's IG

I noticed the poor NCAA coverage in IG also, in fact, I am about to write
them about it. Excluded from the AA results are Lisa Simes and Wendy
Marshall. Wendy placed 5th AA and they don't even have her there. They
left out many gymnasts. I could look, but I left my IG at home.

> I think this may have been mentioned before, but a photo of Lisa
> Simes from Michigan (former Canadian team member) is erroneously captioned
> as another former Canadian team meber, Jennifer Wood. Also, I don't think
> the AA results are complete/correct; I don't see Lisa Simes' name in there
> and I know she did all four events and got a good AA total (high 38 or low
> 39). I don't see Stella Umeh or Leah Homma in there either; didn't they
> do all events?
> There is also an error in the PUR worlds coverage of women's FX:
> it says Paz tumbled a double layout mount and piked full-in dismount (is
> this what Vassou did and was it just the name they got wrong?) when Paz
> actually opened with whip to triple-full and ended with another triple
> full. In any case, it's disappointing that they can't get all their facts
> straight.
> Chris.
>

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:36:01 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Thanks for correcting me.....

Ok, Khorkina did the lucconi then ff on the beam. I must have forgot about that
skill since it wasn't shown again in replay. I regret any problems. I'm human,
and I make mistakes.



BTW: I still don't see any difference between Bogi standing there and
not doing anything on FX while the music goes on and on and Amanar or Milo
doing it.


Jeff


P.S. As for the full twisting FF on balance beam, did Dina ever do this in
her showing at the 1992 Junior Eorpeans (I think she competed in that meet_
or was it the year before?)


Dina, Dina, Dina the Diva.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:11:15 PDT
From: ***@TIBCO.COM
Subject: Full-twisting FF on beam

>P.S. As for the full twisting FF on balance beam, did Dina ever do this in
>her showing at the 1992 Junior Eorpeans (I think she competed in that meet_
>or was it the year before?)

No, she didn't do it in 1991 (the year she finished 3rd behind Hadarean and
Mitova) or 1992, but she did it in 1994 in Brisbane. The full-twisting FF
btw, either regular or gainer, is dually credited to both Kochetkova and
Khorkina since they debuted them both in Brisbane. It should be separate
skills imo since they are different. Has this been changed? Just curious.

Amanda

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:28:53 -0500
From: ***@UTMB.EDU
Subject: Dynamo "Hair Scrunchers"

-texx wrote:

>They are called "hair scrunchers"
>You got a problem with them ? I wear them quite a bit, much better than
>rubber bands. (Rubber bands destroy long hair)

No, I *don't* have a problem with them. It was just a little "too cute"
to always see Shannon's choreographer (Peggy?) with one, as well as all of
Nunno's girls.

The point I was trying to make is that obviously Jennie isn't a "hair
scruncher" kind of girl, so I was glad that she wasn't being made to
wear one so that all the Dynamo girls looked just like Shannon.

>Bteer that they wear those than anything else.
>I usually wear my navy blue one to work of the Stewart plaid or
>Black Watch Plaid

I'm sure it looks fabulous! I've found that it also comes together
better if you match the *fabric* of the scruncher to your leotard also,
not just the color.

Joel

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:29:42 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: compulsory draws

I'm a little confused as to what Mayland said about the compulsory draws
for the Olympics being kept secret from the public. If this is true, IG doesn't
know about it! Page 46 of the June/July issue gives the compulsory draws for
the men and the women and even reports what apparatus each team will be
starting on. Also, these draws were determined at the Puerto Rico Worlds, not
in Sabae. For people who don't get IG, here are some of the most interesting
draws: The Romanian girls perform in the 1st session and follow the
Olympic-rotation order (V, B, BB, FX); Ukraine is in the second session; the US
is in the 3rd session (with France and 2 mixed groups), and the fourth and last
session features France, Russia, China and a mixed group. UKR starts on bars,
as does the US. France starts on vault, Russia on bars and China on beam.
Men: Germany, Romania and Italy are in session one (starting on pommels,
rings and p-bars, respectively). Belarus (floor), Japan (rings) and the US
(high bar) are in session two. Russia (pommels), China (vault), Ukraine
(p-bars) and France (high bar) are in the third and last session.

Beth

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:45:51 -0700
From: ***@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU
Subject: Nationals weighted scoring...

I apologize for my last post: I did not mean to imply that 60/40
weighting was in effect at Worlds or Olympics. The US uses it to get a
strong team in compos and optionals.
So are the women's team finals going to be in random order, or
are the top 4 from compulsories going to compete in the final session in
Atlanta?
Love the drinking game! too bad Kathy's not going to be on for
NBC. Now we'll have to come up with the Elfi/John Tesh/Tim Dagget version...
Oh, and for underagers: this game works well w/ soda as well. You
can also then burp on cue for certain phrases, such as "Jenni (Thompson)
*still* needs to work on her form... she has all the tricks...." ;)

Cara

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:03:53 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: compulsory draw correction

I just realized I have the French girls performing in two sessions - oops.
They are in the 4th session. It is Spain that is in the 3rd session with the
US, and they (Spain) start on beam.
The compulsory draws were totally random, but (to answer Cara's question),
in optionals the teams will perform on the basis of how well they did in
compulsories, with the top 4 teams in the last round and the top compulsory
team getting to do the events in the Olympic order. I would guess that the last
round will include Romania, China, Russia and the US in some sort of order.
It's hard to predict who'll come out on top in compulsories, since Romania drew
the first round (where scores tend to be low, BUT, they ARE Romania...), and
China starts on beam. That IS normally a strong event for them, but still, who
would want to start the Olympic team competition on beam?
My predictions for the second group would be Ukraine, Belarus, France, and
Spain, with the first optional session consisting of Greece, Hungary, Australia
and Germany. But again it's hard to say who'll be in what position in each
session. Should be an exciting meet!

Beth

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:17:48 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Moceanu

"Olympic hopeful Dominque Moceanu may miss
the Atlanta Olympics due to a stress fracture in her foot. But she says
that she hopes to recover in time for the trials if at all
possible...." -ESPN

Hmmmm.... I hear that she was injured
during practice. It's weird huh, kind of like deja vou(sp?). It's Kim92
all over again. Too much pressure, stress fracture in her foot,
America's best chance at the gold....

Laura

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:01:54 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jun 1996 - Special issue

At Gymagic its done every 2 years. The gymnast selects the music with the
coach ususally giving input. The coach usually picks tapes for the gymnast
to review and make their selection from. Saludos, Ramon Garcia.

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Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 20:11:53 +0000
From: ***@EARTHLINK.NET
Subject: Thanks

Hi everyone,
I just got back from Florida on a much needed vacation. I want to
thank everyone for your kind letters during the death of my grandparents.
All the e-mail of encouragement before getting on the plane to Tennessee
stayed with me.
I have had no energy for weeks in the gym but the morning of the meet
I woke up filled with energy. I really believe it was the spirit of my
grandparents and of all the friends in the forum who were encouraging me
during this hard time. I never would have made it without your help. This
is a meet that will always be in my heart long after I quit gymnastics.
Last but not least I want to thank Rick for being that long distance e-mail
shoulder to cry on.
I hope we have a great year at the Olympics. Go USA.

Vanessa

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