GYMN-L Digest - 18 Jun 1996 - Special issue
There
are 25 messages totalling 618 lines in this
issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. WAG: Blr-Ita-Rom-Rus in Fano
2.
FRA Olympic Team Members
3. mistakes in June/July IG
4. petitioning
5. compulsory
draws (2)
6. Petitioning
(3)
7. Italian web site: ITA
vs. RUS vs. ROM. vs.BEL
8. compulsory
draw
9. RSG Olympic Trial
Tickets
10. Sport Seneca's
Annual Sport Review
11. Intro
& sport psych info
12. Dom
M. and petitioning to the Olympic team.
13. Ribbon dancing
14. Stress Fractures
15. Nationals weighted scoring...
16. Olympic Trials Tickets for Sale
17. Adriana Duffy - IG June/July
18. DRINKING GAME.
19. GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jun 1996 to 18 Jun
1996
20. A lot of stuff
21. Moceanu to
miss Olympics???
22. Dom M. and
the Torch Relay...
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:37:02
+0200
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject:
WAG: Blr-Ita-Rom-Rus in Fano
You can now
find the result of the meeting at this site
http://www.nbn.it/itagym/donne/incontri/fano.html
Russia
won the team competition and Roza Galieva
the individual one.
Kochetkova did not
participate.
Being the last test before the Olympics, Rocchi, Montagnolo and Meneghesso
will go to Atlanta
for Italy.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 05:19:44
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
FRA Olympic Team Members
According to yesterday's _l'Equipe_,
FRA will send the following gymnasts
to
Atlanta:
WOMEN: Laetitia Begue, Cecile Canqueteau, Ludivine Furnon, Laure Gely,
Isabelle Severino, Celine [sic] Troscompt, Elvire Teza,
Emilie Volle. A decision will be made on July 14 as to
which
of these girls will be the alternate.
MEN: Thierry Aymes,
Patrice Casimir, Sebastien Darrigade, Frederic
Lemoine, Frederic Nicolas, Eric Poujade,
Sebastien Tayac,
Jacky Loquin (alternate).
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 07:43:16
+0000
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject:
mistakes in June/July IG
Another mistake, in the June/July IG in the
men's NCAA coverage... but
nothing as obvious as a
photo miscaption... the article noted that the
most
exciting moment in high bar finals was
"Peter Hegi" from Stanford attempting
a full-twisting layout Tkatchev...
actually it was Gewin "Puff" Sincharoen,
from Cal (who has
a very good layout Tk, by the way).
Rachele
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Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:10:48
+1000
From: ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject:
petitioning
Personally, if people can petition straight onto the US
women's team, my
opinion of those people will
plummet. They ain't playing fair.
But then again, I
believe the USAG has a lot to answer for, for making
trials
worth 100% in the first place.
Perhaps they should take into account
scores
from the USAs, as in previous years.
No wonder gymnasts say the
trials are more
stressful than the actual Olympics themselves.
Anyone can have a bad
meet. What happens if Shannon or
Dom M finishes 8th
in trials???? Does anyone really think USAG will keep
these stars off the team?
BTW, the Australian women's team will be
announced tomorrow.
Fortunately,
the AGF has counted scores
from Nationals and trials, as well as training.
Simone
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:52:50
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Re: compulsory draws
I don't understand this system. What happened to
the two gymnast per country
per
session that was used in barcelona? I liked that much
better. Any
reason why things have changed?
Jeff
Dina,
Dina, Dina.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:03:37
-0400
From: ***@YORKU.CA
Subject:
Re: compulsory draws
On Tue, 18 Jun 1996, Jeffrey wrote:
>
I don't understand this system. What happened to the two gymnast
per country
> per session that was used in barcelona? I liked that much better. Any
> reason why things have changed?
>
>
>
Jeff
>
> Dina, Dina, Dina.
I
think there were a couple of reasons for going back to the old
way. It is a
team competition after all and I think having the gymnasts
not competing together took away from the flavour of that.
Also, since
the coaches could pick who went
in each round it kind of defeated the
purpose of
doing it that way; you could still send a signal as to whom you
were promoting on your team based on who competed in what
round during the
meet.
When
will it be decided in what rounds the specific individuals
will be competing in?
I can only hope that Yvonne Tousek gets to be
in
the same group as Oksana Chusovitina...it
would be great it they could
feed off each other's
scores.
Chris.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:03:50
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Petitioning
While I do agree w/many of the points that
have
been made about petitioning onto the Olympic Team, I have to see
it a different way. Moceanu is severly injured and competing at the
trials
could very well agravate her injury. We all know that
she would
make the Olympic team anyway and she
deserves to be on that team.
Competing w/such a severe injury will most
likely make it worse and
that could hurt her
individual chances and the teams chances at the
Olympics. I do understand
that the federation is trying to make this
trial
as fair as possible but I have to side w/Moceanu on
this one.
Laura
May the flames begin....
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:10:43
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Italian web site: ITA vs. RUS vs. ROM. vs.BEL
I
just checked this out, and Oksana Fabrichnova was
listed under the Russian
team!!!!! Is she healthy
again!!!
She only did two events (based on the scores of 18.925 (C)
and 18.80 (O).
BTW: Grosheva competed,
so she must be better than at San Juan.
Bogi
was third!!! Marinescu was 5th (UGH!) Russia won the
team event.
I really thinkk people are down
playing this team and they WILL
be on the podium
in Atlanta. With all six guns running at their
best, they could win it all. They could beat the
Chinese!
As an aside, Marinescu
finished fifth to Bogi's 3rd. But they had the
SAME optional score. As did Piskun. Just thought I'd tell you that
piece of information.
Check it out for yourself at:
http://www.nbn.it/itagym/donne/incontri/fano.html
jeff
Dina, Dina,
Dina.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:42:46
EDT
From: ***@SWOSU.EDU
Subject:
compulsory draw
I must have missed the first message about when the
different teams will be
competing. Could someone
e-mail me the information. Thanks
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 08:45:02
-0700
From: ***@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject:
RSG Olympic Trial Tickets
Due to un forseen circumstances I have 5 VERY nice tickets for
Rhythmic
Gymnastics Trials for Sale Tuesday June 25 Preliminary and
Wednesday, June
26 Finals.
The tickets are in the Right Mezzanine which are directly over the floor
and according to the Wang Center are extremely good
tickets. I cannot
attend and would like to get my $ back. They are $20 per ticket.
Please
email me or call (206)771-3736.
Thank
you,
Karen
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:58:47
EST
From: ***@STUDSERV.SENECAC.ON.CA
Subject:
Sport Seneca's Annual Sport Review
Take a break from the Olympics hooplah and come join the kids at Sport Seneca
in their "night out" at the Annual Sport Seneca
Sport Review.
The gymnasts and skaters at Canada's premium Elite sport
program will be on
hand to share their athletic
and academic achievements with you with exhibits
and
performances.
It will be held on 7 pm, June 25, 1996 at the Sport
Center of Seneca College,
1750 Finch Avenue East, North York, Ontario
Canada. Tickets are $5.00,
reserve them by calling
416-491-5050 x 2316.
Don't miss your chance to join in our silent
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and other valuable products. All proceeds go towards the
training
and education of our talented athletes.
Visit our web site at
http://www.senecac.on.ca/~snysp for more information!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:01:17
-0400
From: ***@CONNCOLL.EDU
Subject:
Intro & sport psych info
Hello,
everybody - I've been on the list for a couple months now,
but this is my first post so I'll introduce myself. My name is Jen, and
I am a junior at
Connecticut College. I did
gymnastics for 14 years,
until the pain from ACL
surgery and juvenile rheumatoid arthritis got to
be
too much, and I recently took up diving.
Gymnastics is still my
first love, and some
of my favorites now are Pods, Mo, Moceanu,
Dawes,
Borden, Miller, Milo, and I still love Zmeskal.
I
plan on pursuing a career in sport psychology, so if anyone out
there has any kind of info on it - graduate programs,
internships, etc.,
could you please email me? ANY info would be greatly
appreciated.
Also, I will be attending the Trials (women's comp. & opt., and
men's opt.), as well as
all the women's events in Atlanta (still in shock
that
we got tickets!), so if anyone out there is interested, I would love to
meet you!
Jen
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 09:09:36
-0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Re: Petitioning
Laura wrote:
> Moceanu
is severly injured and competing at the
> trials could very well agravate
her injury. We all know that she would
> make
the Olympic team anyway and she deserves to be on that team.
What if Jaycie Phelps, for example, has a bad day at Trials and
fails to
make the team? According to the rules, she would be
out, while a gymnast
who finished below her at
Nationals would be given a spot on the Olympic
team. Not fair at all. Being the current media darling does not
make one
"deserving" of an Olympic
berth, particularly if the darling in question
has
such a servere injuy.
>
Competing w/such a severe injury will most likely make it worse and
> that could hurt her individual chances and the teams chances
at the
> Olympics.
If Moceanu's
injury is that serious, it seems highly unlikely that she
would be miraculously, completely recovered in time for
Atlanta. IMHO, it
would be better to give a slot to a healthy gymnast.
Not
a flame, just my opinion...
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:59:02
-0400
From: ***@GOOFY.UMD.EDU
Subject:
Re: Petitioning
>
While I do agree w/many of the points that
>have
been made about petitioning onto the Olympic Team, I have to see
>it a different way. Moceanu is severly injured and competing at the
>trials could very well agravate
her injury. We all know that she would
>make
the Olympic team anyway and she deserves to be on that team.
>Competing
w/such a severe injury will most likely make it worse and
>that could hurt her individual chances and the teams chances
at the
>Olympics. I do understand that the federation is trying to make
this
>trial as fair as possible but I have to
side w/Moceanu on this one.
Laura,
This
is not a flame, but...
What happens if Moceanu's
injury does not heal by the time of the Olympics?
Once a team is named, as
I understand it, there can be no substitutes other
than
the "offically" named alternate.
This
was something that happened during the last games. Michele Campi
was
named the alternate, but her back was injured
and even if she would have been
needed, she could
never have been a substitute.
Another reason why Kim
Kelly *should* have been on the team.
Finally,
*no one* is a sure thing. Injuries
happen all the time. Why sould
any of the other (top
six) althelets risk having an injury/off day?
--
Steve
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:09:45
-0400
From: ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Dom M. and petitioning to the Olympic team.
If
She has a four inch fracture in her leg then she
shouldn't even try for
these olmpics.
She should wait for the next games. She is certainly young
enough.
Flame away
Deb
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 13:25:17
-0400
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
Ribbon dancing
Hi all,
I'm posting this for someone, if you
can help please reply
to either me or directly to
the guy himself. Thanks very much if you
can
help!
Sherwin
Message:
-------
I am looking for
some ribbon dancers for a film I'm producing here in
the
states. I need the dancers to be in the early twenties if
possible(maybe retired Rythem
gymnastics?) Would you happen to know any
resources
for this kind of talent in the western US? Any help would
really be of great help!!! Thank you and I've enjoyed your
home
page.-David K
--
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:57:17
+0100
From: ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject:
Stress Fractures
What does Bela do to these
girls that they get such huge stress fractures.
Remember Zmeskal
always had at least 3 at all times... How overtrained
are
they?
How many beam dismounts do they
do in a day? 800?
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 12:06:52
-0700
From: ***@EFN.ORG
Subject:
Re: Nationals weighted scoring...
>
Love the drinking game! too bad Kathy's not
going to be on for
> NBC. Now we'll have to come up with the Elfi/John Tesh/Tim Dagget version...
Well, I don't drink but I
couldn't resist...
For Tim - drink each time you hear:
"Boy"
"I
don't know....I gotta tell ya."
"OOOhhhh,
and she makes it!"
Any sentence with the
word "huge."
For Elfi, two drinks
per the following phrases:
"In this day and age, it just isn't
enough."
"Solid"
"I don't think I have
ever seen her make that mistake."
"Big, big
mistake."
"Absolutely unbelievable."
For John Tesh, drink three, no wait, he's too easy, only half a
drink:
"Is *she* the next ..."(Nadia,
Mary Lou, you fill in the blank)
Any sentence where there is any use
of the verb "to cry."
"Do we have a story to tell you
about her."
Slam whatever is left of your drink/soda/ice tea if
at any time you hear
John Tesh
music being played. (It's
harmless, that music is sure to
bring the beverage
right back up.)
All in good fun,
Katie
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:35:01
+0000
From: ***@LILLY.COM
Subject:
Olympic Trials Tickets for Sale
I have a block of 6 series tickets for
the Olympic Trials in Boston next week.
The six seats are in Section 306,
Row 9. We are unable to attend due
to a
family emergency. The series ticket includes admission to
each session, June
27-30, for both men's and women's
compulsories and optionals. These series
tickets
sold for $40 each, with Ticketmaster padding the total with their fees
to over $50 apiece.
I will cover those costs and sell them for the face value
of $40 each.
If you are interested please email
to
***@Lilly.com
I will Federal Express to insure that
they reach you in plenty of time for the
Trials. I hope someone else can enjoy them since
we can't!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:41:29
-0400
From: ***@HICOM.NET
Subject:
Adriana Duffy - IG June/July
Howdy, all:
I just want to draw
your attention to (if you've not yet seen it) the 'IG
PEOPLE, ETC.' feature
on page 47 of this month's IG (arrived Saturday). I'm
really suprised no one has mentioned this yet, but GYMN's own
Adriana Duffy is
featured for her work at PUR
Worlds! Adriana, I had no idea of
your many
accomplishments (gymnastic and
otherwise) and, frankly, fascinating life!
It is
wonderful to 'put a face [and a
background] with the name' that so often informs
and
enlightens us on this very list. To
say that I had no idea of your
challenges and
accomplishments is an understatement...Now I see how you got to
be so darn knowlegable in this
sport!
I certainly don't know Adriana personally, but from what I've
read in IG and on
this list, she seems like a real
example for us all. Bravo,
Adriana!
In awe,
Michele
PS-Wow! Except for the
flame-stuff, I love this list!
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:03:44
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
DRINKING GAME.
Of course, you must drink EVERYTHING IN SITE if Elfi and Tim team up
against
Kathy and Bart for the wrestling match of the year and title of
supreme commentator. Of course, the winner would still have
to face
Maura Driscoll in the grudge match of the century. Imagine Maura
holding Tim
in a head lock.
P.S.
Don't forget Kathy: 'but it will still be a small deduction.'
Jeff
Dina,
Dina, Dina.
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:55:19
-0500
From: ***@PANAM1.PANAM.EDU
Subject:
Re: GYMN-L Digest - 17 Jun 1996 to 18 Jun 1996
This is nothing fancy,
but I was wondering if anyone had a list of who
would make the US Olympic Team. (I know it already seems pre
determined, but)
Here are my picks: And in no perticular
order!!!
1. Shannon Miller (I don't know WHY but she always seems to make
it!)
2. Dominique Moceanu (I'm not fond of this
one!)
3. Dominique Dawes
4. Kerri Strug
5.
Jaycie Phelps (At first I didn't think she would be
any good but she
shut me up!!)
6. Amanda
Borden or Jennie Thompson or Amy Chow or Mohini?
I
really would have loved to see Kim Zmeskal make this
team because I
think she would have really helped,
but she just wants to do professional
meets (what
ever those are?)
Cris
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Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 06:46:49
-0400
From: ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject:
A lot of stuff
First, of all, I am sorry to hear that Gina Gogean may miss the 1996
olypmics with appendicitis. I thought that was a
minor ailment. Some
surgery, a few days of rest,
and you were back to normal. I guess not. I
hope
she recovers soon. The gymnastics competition would be slighty
diminished by the loss of such a good gymnast.
Second,
who was that guy who made that post about the olympics being about
glory,
"thrill of victory and the agony of the feet"? (I know who he is,
but
his protection, his real name will not be
revealed). He must live in an
another country. I
live in the olympic city. We
have been catching hell ever
since 1991. The
situation for the average citizen has gotten more difficult
recently. And the worse it yet to come.
What Atlanta has gone through until
now, has been
a picnic, compared to what will happen in the next 30 days.
I know
some people on this forum hate anything that even smacks of a serious
issue, but I am going to say this anyway. I will NEVER, and
I mean NEVER,
forget what has transpired in the
city of Atlanta, and this region over the
last
5 years (more importantly, the last
2 years). An entire region, an
entire people,
(black, white, man, woman, gay, straight, city-slicker,
country-bumpkin,
middle class and poor) have been inconvenienced, harrassed,
displaced, and even placed in danger, all for the sake of
some politics and
the ungodly gains of some
multi-national corporations.
The olympics
has NEVER been about some fun and games. If it were, I would
love it. That is why my question on the Spartanburg issue
was so important.
If Billy Payne and his ACOG henchmen were "not
involved in politics", AS HE
CLAIMED, why did he fall all over himself
attempting to punish cities that
dared deviate
from ACOG "morals"? As for the money part of the olympics,
THAT"S THE BIGGEST PART. That's
what this mess is mostly about- MONEY,
MONEY, MONEY (for
the already rich). The rest of us can go the hell, as for
as the olympic big wigs are
concerned. I said I would keep this brief (about
the
Olympics), and I will.
Underdog
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:36:18
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Moceanu to miss Olympics???
I just read an
article in today's Washington Post about Dom Moc. and it was
grim! It makes her stress fracture seem *very*
serious and makes the Olympic
games seem like (as Elfi would say) "a big question mark" for
Dom. It is a
long
article, and of course, goes through the usual stuff about how she's
America's
best hope for gold, etc.... Bela Karolyi is quoted as saying that
he
and Dom are "not happy campers".
The article also mentions that Dom's leg
seems
more serious than Shannon's wrist....
Jenny
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Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 19:36:53
EST
From: ***@MMC.MARYMT.EDU
Subject:
Dom M. and the Torch Relay...
Hey gang!
I'm not sure if this
is old news to all of you because I haven't had
the
time to read all of the postings.
My mother called me yesterday
morning to
tell me that on the news they were saying that Dom M. has
a 4" stress fracture in her leg. Her doctor warned her that if she
competes, there is a big possibility that her leg will
break. She
and
Bela are now hoping that her scores from Nationals
will be enough
to get her on the Olympic
team. At this point, even if she
does make
the team, she still may not be able to
compete due to a lack of time
for her leg to
heal.
I feel badly for her, but she is still young with much room
for
improvement. The next Olympics won't be totaly out of reach for her.
(I'm not trying to take
away from the devistation that she'll feel IF
she doesn't make the team; I'm simply looking for some hope.
=])
There's still time. I have
my fingers crossed.
If this is totaly old
news...I'm sorry.
Anyway, last night the torch came down 5th Ave. in
NY. I was there 2
hours in advance to get some good pictures. The crowd was sooooooooo
intense!!! It
was great being around people who were just as psyched
about
the Olympics as I was! One thing that
really dissapointed me
was
the fact that the guy (I don't know his name...excuse my
ignorance.)
carrying the torch was walking, and walking
really
slowly. I don't know why, but I was expecting
the person to be
running (not even, just
jogging). Anyhow, it was still an
intense
moment. Seeing the flame made me realize just
how powerful and
precious the Olympic games
are. The whole experience really
moved
me.
Did any other of our NY Gymn members see
it?
I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE GAMES TO BEGIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO
USA!!!
Nikki =]
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