GYMN-L Digest - 18 Sep 1995 to 19 Sep 1995 - Special
issue
There are 20 messages totalling 515
lines in this issue.
Topics in this special issue:
1. trials questios
2. Scherbo's production
3. TV Alert
4. Mary Lou/Britain and new topic
5. Mary Lou/Britain and New Topic
6. Top Ten Olympic Ticket Requests
7. New Topic
8. Olympic Ticket Requests (& Other
Stuff) (3)
9. 7-6-5 rule
10. Top Ten Olympic Ticket Requests/
& RSG
11. Eating disorders
article
12. injuries
13. Retton
(Comments from Sarah)
14. world coach (2)
15. Monceanu
16. Article and coaches and
difficulty
17. Introduction and
Newcomer-type questions!
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 1995 23:27:57
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: trials questios
| Also, what did Moceanu change to make her routine at 10.0 at trials when
it
| was out of a 9.9 at Nationals.
Which
routine?
Sorry, I meant her floor routine. In Nationals it was out of
a 9.9 in both
the all-around and the event finals,
but it's out of a 10.0 at world trials.
I'm sorry to hear Borden's off
the team. Withouth her and Dawes, as talented
as the other gymnasts are, I think the team is pretty
weak.
LeeAnn
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 11:56:10
+0200
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject:
Scherbo's production
Does anyone know
where's the head office of AL.VI. Scherbo inc. and what
does it
produce?
Thank you.
Carlo
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 07:36:04
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: TV Alert
I thought Retton did just
fine.
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 08:11:32
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Mary Lou/Britain and new topic
After reading the British perspective
on Mary Lou, I just wanted to mention
that there
are some cultural differences at work here. I have lived in both
places, and I think Americans are generally more effusive
and expressive in
daily life than the
British. The British value
politeness and a quieter way
to express themselves
in a way Americans don't always understand. What
Americans interpret as open and
expressive or "cute" or "bouncy," therefore,
might culturally be not as acceptable in Britain.
I'd
like to open a new topic...a lot of people on the list have mentioned
that this or that gymnast is injured. The list seems tremendous, from
Jennie
Thompson to Amanda Borden and Dominique Dawes. Does anyone feel there's a
warning signal here, when so much of our brightest talent is
on the sidelines
with injuries? Is something going wrong?
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:07:19
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Mary Lou/Britain and New Topic
After reading the British perspective
on Mary Lou, I just wanted to mention
that there
are some cultural differences at work here. I have lived in both
places, and I think Americans are generally more effusive
and expressive in
daily life than the
British. The British value
politeness and a quieter way
to express themselves
in a way Americans don't always understand. What
Americans interpret as open and
expressive or "cute" or "bouncy," therefore,
might culturally be not as acceptable in Britain.
I'd
like to open a new topic...a lot of people on the list have mentioned
that this or that gymnast is injured. The list seems tremendous, from
Jennie
Thompson to Amanda Borden and Dominique Dawes. Does anyone feel there's a
warning signal here, when so much of gymnastics' brightest
talent is on the
sidelines
with
injuries? Is something going
wrong?
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:47:46
-0400
From: ***@PANIX.COM
Subject:
Top Ten Olympic Ticket Requests
From today's New York Times, the 10
sessions most requested by ticket buyers:
10. Diving (men's platform
prelims)
9. Baseball (gold
medal game)
8. Gymnastics (EF:
men's FX, PH & R; women's V & UB)
7. Basketball (men's bronze and gold medal
games)
6. Gymnastics (women's
team compulsories)
5. Diving
(women's platform prelims)
4.
Gymnastics (women's team optionals)
3. Gymnastics (EF: men's V, PB & HB;
women's B and FX)
2. Gymnastics
(women's AA final)
1. Opening
Ceremony
*Now* can we get better TV coverage??
Debbie
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 09:11:55
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Re: New Topic
Date sent:
19-SEP-1995 09:07:25
Someone just opened a new topic for
discussion. I think it is very
noteworthy to point
out that a lot of gymnasts are out injured, and
it
is certainly not new that people are commenting on it (IG made the
point after the 1994 individual worlds that the new Code was
forcing
gymnasts to try new and harder skills, and
thus getting injured).
But, I think right now, in the case of the US, most
of them are fluke
injuries. Dawes has a stress
fracture, which, to my understanindg,
is the result of time. Powell tripped over a mat, for
goodness sake,
which caused the original injury
and probably got the sparined ankle
trying to protect the knee.As for
Jennie Thompson, my personal belief
about the girl
is that she and her coches pushed her too hard, too
soon.
Right now, I think it is a matter of bad luck at a very inconvient
time. Minor
injuries are a way of life in gymnastics.
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:33:44
EDT
From: ***@EOS.NCSU.EDU
Subject:
Re: Olympic Ticket Requests (& Other Stuff)
> From today's New
York Times, the 10 sessions most requested by ticket buyers:
>
>
10. Diving (men's platform prelims)
> 9. Baseball (gold medal game)
> 8. Gymnastics (EF: men's FX, PH & R;
women's V & UB)
> 7.
Basketball (men's bronze and gold medal games)
> 6. Gymnastics (women's team compulsories)
> 5. Diving (women's platform
prelims)
> 4. Gymnastics
(women's team optionals)
> 3. Gymnastics (EF: men's V, PB & HB;
women's B and FX)
> 2.
Gymnastics (women's AA final)
>
1. Opening Ceremony
Would you believe that of the the six choices I made, five of them are
here? #2, #3,
#4, #6, AND #9. Plus, I had #8 as
an alternate. I sure
can pick'em, can't I? My question is, where are all of these
people
during normal competitions during normal
years? Do people say,
"hey,
it's the Olympics! Let's go see the gymnastics! The U.S. always does
good in gymnastics!" I wonder how many folks who want to see
the
Olympic competition went to the Budget Invite a couple months
back. I
would
have, but being an east coast college student with little money
kinda hinders me from going out to
San Jose whenever I want. Ugh! I
did sit
through several hours of Level 8's on a few occasions, though.
Pardon
me, rambling madman coming through. . .
--Brent
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 10:27:14
-0400
From: ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject:
7-6-5 rule
Hi!
I have a question about
the format of the worlds. Since
this is the
first worlds in which the 7-6-5 rule
will be used in a team competition
that qualifies
gymnasts to the all-around, I have some questions. Since
the
team coaches choose who competes on each event, it seems they can, in
actuality, choose who makes it into the all-around. What would prevent a
team coach (of a strong team) from having each of the bottom
four girls only
compete 3 events, thus locking the
top three gymnasts from the team into
the
all-around? It would be such a
shame if someone like Kerri Strug did
not get to compete all 8 routines of the team competition,
and therefore
had no chance to make it to the
all-around. While I agree that the
new
system will give the teams more opportunity to
do well, it also will take
away the drama of
seeing who qualifies to the all-around.
We all know
that there can be unexpected
errors by team leaders (Zmeskal and Gutsu in
the 1992 Olympics
come to mind). Only, now there may
be no chance for
another member of the team to
grab the spot into the all-around.
Just curious-is there any way to prevent
the coaches from predetermining
their country's
representatives to the all-around?
Along the same
lines-now that we know
the official team rosters, when will we know who will
compete each event?
-Emily
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:25:05
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Top Ten Olympic Ticket Requests/ & RSG
> 8. Gymnastics (EF:
men's FX, PH & R; women's V & UB)
> 3. Gymnastics (EF:
men's V, PB & HB; women's B and FX)
So the event finals are being
divided into two days each for men and women?
Anyone know if
rhythmic will be have event finals as a medal event?
Amanda
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:55:32
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Eating disorders article
Date sent: 19-SEP-1995 12:53:17
*grins* I know I'm asking for it, but here we go anyway. I
recently
had an article on eating disorders
published in our school newspaper.
I'd like to post it to the list, and get
some reaction, and see how
you all think it
applies to "real life." Am I allowed to put it up
here? If so, I will do so.
On the same thread, I'm
like to type in an editorial that was in
IG regarding Sandy Woolsey's
dismissal/non-selection to the 1991
team. Is that
possible as well?
Thanks.
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 12:51:28
-0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject:
injuries
Faye wrote:
>I'd like to open a new topic...a lot of
people on the list have mentioned
>that this or
that gymnast is injured. The list
seems tremendous, from Jennie
>Thompson to Amanda Borden and Dominique
Dawes. Does anyone feel there's
a
>warning signal here, when so much of our
brightest talent is on the sidelines
>with
injuries? Is something going
wrong?
I feel there is a warning signal here, but not the type of one
most people
would think of right away. I think one of the major problems is
lack of basics.
Since the '93 Code was introduced there have been more
injured gymnasts
than I remember through all my
years following gymnastics. And
IMHO this
is one of the easiest Codes since the
mid-70's. Does this not
indicate
a problem? If the gymnasts of today can't go back
to doing front-front
vaults, front fulls, and release free bar routines, then there is
certainly
a problem.
Now, I'm not saying
all of these gymnasts are injured due to a lack of
basics
or due to improper technique;
because not all injuries happen
like
this. Some injuries are just an
accident (ie - Powell, and I
assume
Borden, et al...)
When accidents like this happen, though, one has to
wonder about fatigue.
Perhaps being over-worked attributes in a big way
towards injuries ... even
the accidental
ones. (I know I'm clumsy/er ;-) when I'm over-tired!)
The other possibility
we have to face is that not all bodies are meant
for
elite gymnastics. But don't get me wrong, I'm not at all talking
about
height or weight. I mean things
like bone structure, etc. It
is
simply not healthy for some bodies to be in
training like that. I don't
want to start another topic here, because every gymnast has
the right
to go as far as he/she wants in the
sport.
Jennifer wrote:
>(IG made the
>point after the 1994 individual worlds that the new Code was
forcing
>gymnasts to try new and harder skills,
and thus getting injured).
I really have to disagree with this. There's just no comparing a
front-full and a full-in... The vast majority of gymnasts
drastically
*decreased* their difficulty after the
'93 Code was introduced.
Time to shut up! Sorry to ramble on.
Comments?
DORY
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:03:52
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Re: Retton (Comments from Sarah)
Once
again, I think it is important to mention that Mary Lou's
biggest contribution was to make gymnastics in the United
States
the #1 or #2 Olympic sport (figure skating
being the other). Thus,
Mary
Lou's impact was felt to a larger extent by those not in the
gymnastic community. Of course membership in gymnastics
clubs in
the U.S. went up, but otherwise in a
technical sense she did very
little. I still like Mary Lou, but I understand
where others are coming
from.
Mikester
Bee
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:20:25
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Re: world coach
It
would be good if there could be three coachs. Forster
deserves
to be a coach having three gymnasts on the team. I think
though
having Karolyi and Nunno
would be best for the team. Here
is
why:
1.
Both coaches are very experienced in the World Arena, and
could be a great asset in this way.
2. Karolyi and Nunno seem to get
along much better than they used
to.
3.
Both have only one athlete on the team.
4.
With Moceanu and Miller securely #1 and #2 they
will
compete in the last two positions, and there
shouldn't be
any of those fights.
Hopefully because of
these reasons they can do the best for the U.S.
team
as a whole.
Mikester Bee
> I'm confused about the
procedures used to pick the coaches for
> international
competition. I thought I read on
the gymn page on the web
> that
the men's Olympic coach was already picked, and yet the women's
> world coach is still unsure. If it were to be Karolyi
and Nunno (each
> with
only one athlete, granted that they are the top two), what rationale
> would be behind the exclusion of Forster (with three
athletes, if Dawes
> withdraws)? Also, do the athletes get any say in who
is chosen? If a
> vote is used, is it by the coaches of the team members or by
USA
> gymnastics officials?
>
Thanks
> Emily
>
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:21:31
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Monceanu
All this talk about what Monceanu did on th
FX at World trials and Nationals
makes me wonder:
Anyone know what she can do? People said Bela was
talking
like this was the very watered down
routine. Can Monceanu do layout double
sides or something else?
Anyone know what her
"true" difficulty is?
Jeff
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:42:18
CDT
From: ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject:
Re: world coach
Why not Mary Lee Tracy? I think they need a female influence
as
well.
Kelly Hill did a very good job last year.
Shawn
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:27:15
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Re: Olympic Ticket Requests (& Other Stuff)
I
think Brent poses a very good question about why no one
was
at San Jose, but everyone wants to go to gymnastics in Atlanta.
My own
personal opinion is that it is because everyone knows that there
will be gymnastics in Atlanta. In the case of San Jose and earlier
this
year in Fairfax (Visa Challenge) there was
very little general public
advertising. I think more people outside of the
gymnastics world would
buy tickets if they knew
that the meets were happening.
The Mikester Bee
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 15:53:59
-0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject:
Re: Article and coaches and difficulty
Date sent: 19-SEP-1995 15:50:23
1)The article on eating disorders is bound to start some
discussion.
Fine. If you hate it, tell me. If you love it, tell me. But if
you
are going to flame me or the writing style,
all I ask is that you keep
it private. Anything
else is fair game, i guess.
2) The coaches
for worlds are Nunno and Karolyi.
Fine. All I want
to see is a fair shake for the
others athletes. Moceanu should not
be going up late in the line up on either floor or bars. Strug and Thompson
and
probably even Chow should be in front of her. On floor, Strug
should
be placed ahead. I'm just worried that,
especially with Strug, the other
athletes positions might be compromised.
3) All I
did was quote IG. There have been a rash of injuries since
the new code, and I think it is because gymnasts are trying
stuff
that they shouldn't be yet. I guess that
comes down to basics, but
it is the difficulty
that is the problem.
OK, that's it. BYE
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 16:55:08
-0400
From: ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject:
Re: Olympic Ticket Requests (& Other Stuff)
> I
think Brent poses a very good question about why no one
>was at San Jose, but everyone wants to go to gymnastics in
Atlanta.
>My own personal opinion is that it is because everyone knows
that there
>will be gymnastics in Atlanta. In the case of San Jose and earlier
this
>year in Fairfax (Visa Challenge) there
was very little general public
>advertising. I think more people outside of the
gymnastics world would
>buy tickets if they
knew that the meets were happening.
> The Mikester Bee
Yes,
but do people go to meets because they know that they're
happening
and then can go to them, or if they're really interested, can't
they just make some effort to find out? I still think the general public
only really perks up during an Olympic year, and for the
other three they
wouldn't know what was going on
if they walked into the meed.
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Date: Tue, 19 Sep 1995 17:39:51
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Introduction and Newcomer-type questions!
Dear Gymn
People:
Hi! I am new to the
list & have several questions for you all. My name is
Meg, and I have a 9 year
old son, Patrick,
who is new (10 months or
so) to
gymnastics and passionate about it.
He spends every waking hour
talking about
the move he's working on, or jumping on the trampoline in the
back yard or counting the minutes till he goes to the gym
next. Which leads
to my questions:
1. The gym he goes to really only has
one class a week for boys of his age
and
ability. How do I find out about
gyms in the area (Southeastern Mass. )
with more active boys' programs? He seems to have some talent/ability.
He
definitely has the desire for more.
2.
People always ask, "What level are you at?" and he wants to have
an
answer. His gym just calls the classes beginner
and advanced, since their
boys
don't compete. Can somebody give me a quick and dirty guide to levels in
boys gymnastics?
3. Does anybody have any general advice
for a parent, particularly of a boy,
in this
sport?
Thanks so much for your help!
--Meg
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