GYMN-L Digest - 27 Aug 1995 to 28 Aug 1995

There are 21 messages totalling 669 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. new video
2. Australian Club Champs
3. Cdn. Women's World Trials (IA)
4. hello
5. hmm (WUG W's AA)
6. German Masters (Men) 1995
7. Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995 (2)
8. Speaking of U. of Wash...
9. TIME article (3)
10. WUG RSG event finals
11. Mitova
12. Nationals (2)
13. Rhythmic Gymnastics
14. Cdn. Women's World Trials (IB)
15. new, old moves (2)
16. height and weight

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 00:05:40 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: new video

Does anyone on GYMN know anything about the new gymnastics video that was
advertised during NBC's coverage of Nationals? I'd like to know something
about it before I consider ordering. Thanks.

Ann Marie

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:14:00 -0600
From: ***@MEDICINE.ADELAIDE.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Australian Club Champs

Since there has been a lot of mail coming through lately about
USA Nationals I thought I'd post the results of Australia's own
Nationals held recently. I attended the Division A session
of the Australian Womens National Clubs competition. It was an Elite
All-Around session with Junior girls from various clubs competing. All
Australian states were represented except TAS and New Zealand also
competed. Here are the results.

WAG Division A OPTIONALS

1. Kate Lam (Darwin PCYC) NT
2. Anne-Marie Williamson (Western YC) SA
3. Laura Robertson (New Zealand)
4. Rebekah Armbruster (Chandler Comets GC) QLD
5. Sarah Prosser (Chetkovich GC) WA
6. Alyssa Harvey (Kanahooka GC) NSW
7. Nikki Orr (Olympic GC) WA
8. Ann Maree Vallence (Northern Districts GC) WA
9. Julia Logan (Manicas GC) WA
10. Renate Marquis Nicholson (New Zealand)
11. Jessica Wilson (Cheltenham) VIC
11. Pauline Czarnecki (Cheltenham) VIC
13. Melissa Lawrence (Canberra City GC) ACT
14. Kirsty Pearson (New Zealand)
15. Brooke Walker (Cheltenham) VIC
16. Jennifer Schaefer (Canberra City GC) ACT

VAULT
1. Rebekah Armbruster
2. Nikki Orr
3. Renate Marquis Nicholson

BARS
1. Laura Robertson
2. Sarah Prosser
3. Kate Lam

BEAM
1. Anne-Marie Williamson
2. Kate Lam
3. Alyssa Harvey

FLOOR
1. Alyssa Harvey
2. Kate Lam
3. Anne-Marie Williamson

Here are some notes from the competition:

Melissa Lawrence- nice twists on floor- clean. Scary front sault
on beam in warm ups. (Very, very low)
Alyssa Harvey- 9.9 sv on floor! Good twists- double and 1 1/2.
Uses Hatagans 1993 Junior Europeans music. Performed a yurchenko vault
seemed a bit hurt on landing. Had two falls on bars- low 7's. Too bad
cos she has good difficulty. Trains at the AIS. Australian gym fans
may remember her from the Ju-Ping documentary on ABC a while back.
Highest sv on beam-9.7. FF-FF-Layout(fall)
Katerina Frketic- had to withdraw due to injury. On the topic of
injury, the people next to me were saying that many QLD girls,
including Jade Davidson have stress fractures.
Kate Lam- trains at the AIS with Alyssa Harvey. (Also in the
documentary) Nice music on floor Handspring full twist vault. Full
twisting Korbut on beam. Bars- two uprises to handstand, bent arms
slightly both times. Kate got so occupied watching Anne-Marie on floor
that she almost forgot to get ready for beam! Her little sister
competed level 7 here. Kate definitely deserved to win. She was the
most consistent gymnast of the night.
Renate Marquis Nicholson- coolest hair of the meet- just like
Tatiana Lyssenko's!! All the NZ girls had good swing on bars.
Rebekah Armbruster- VERY fast tumbler! Lightning quick whip
backs.
Best music- the NZ girl who used pan pipe music. Different.
Anne-Marie Williamson- in great form (better than at state
champs) Vault- handspring front Hands down on first, better on
second. Bars- nice stalder on low, stuck double pike. Floor- got the
loudest applause of any routine. Mature dance. She really throws
herself into the routine. Nailed double tuck, handspring, bounder,
layout, (whip)? double twist. Beam-WOW!! Fronttuck on, front tuck,
ff-ff-layout (high, good stepping out technique) double twist
dismount-tuck! Clearly the best on beam.
Cheltenham girls-I think all three of them fell off beam. Fairly
strong on all events. Cheltenham was runner up National Elite Club.
Chandler Comets GC won.Sarah Prosser- high piked jaeger on bars.
Almost fell off when reaching for high bar (Overbalanced, had to swing
arms and make an extra circle) Lucky!!! I was very impressed with her
on all events- she just made mistakes. Beam- excellent difficulty
-fall. Wonderful flexibility! Double tuck off. Floor-good dance.
'Bummed' out of one pass. I think she could have placed minus falls
etc.
Nikki Orr- didn't see her vault but I bet it was good- she has
the right body type. Nice leo with Olympic colours on it. Short and
powerful girl.

I really enjoyed this comp. If any one wants individual scores
they can E-mail me.
Tara

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 22:13:56 -0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: Cdn. Women's World Trials (IA)

Here are COMPULSORIES results which were faxed to me over the weekend.
Hopefully optionals & final rankings will show up in the next day or two.
Just a guess, but this meet *could* be televised on SRC (CBC-French) for those
of us "up north" ... all 15 of us! ;) Keep an eye out the next few Saturdays.

**NOTE: These results do not reflect the final team. Last I was told, the
top 9
will go to a couple of training camps before Sabae and the final team will
be selected from there.

Thus we can assume that the majority of gymnasts are not peaking for this
meet, but rather slowly improving as we get closer to Sabae.

Ranks 3 through 7 look tight ... the girls aren't gonna make it easy to
pick a team!

Btw, for those of you wondering where Lisa Simes' name is, I've been told that
she retired from the national team this summer and will compete for Michigan
this fall.

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1995 CANADIAN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS SELECTION
CLUB GYMNIX - CENTRE CLAUDE ROBILLARD
MONTREAL, QUEBEC
AUGUST 24-26 1995

WOMEN'S COMPULSORIES

RK-NAME (CLUB) VAULT UBARS BBEAM FLOOR TOTAL (IA)
1-Jennifer Exaltacion (Winstonettes) 9.559 9.525 9.675 9.425 38.175
2-Lena Degteva (Mississauga) 9.500 9.675 9.450 9.350 37.975
3-Theresa Wolf (Mississauga) 9.425 9.700 9.150 9.400 37.675
4-Yvonne Tousek (Cambridge) 9.450 9.550 9.300 9.350 37.650
5-Marleen Lavoie (Ortona) 9.350 9.400 9.600 9.250 37.600
6-Stephanie Cappuccitti (Gemini) 9.250 9.625 9.100 9.400 37.375
7-Jaime Hill (Mississauga) 9.400 9.425 9.150 9.375 37.350
8-Marilou Cousineau (Gymnix) 9.400 8.675 9.250 9.275 36.600
9t-Stephanie Hyett (WIMGYM) 9.500 9.400 8.800 8.700 36.400
9t-Shanyn MacEachern (Mississauga) 9.500 8.750 8.900 9.250 36.400
11-Tammy Stauffer (Winstonettes) 9.250 9.350 8.650 9.100 36.350
12-Eve-Marie Poulin (Winstonettes) 9.400 8.875 8.500 9.250 36.025
13-Jacinthe Emard (Gym-Richelieu) 8.900 9.050 8.750 9.025 35.725
14-Katie Rowland (Winstonettes) 9.450 7.400 8.350 9.000 34.200
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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 23:29:17 -0700
From: ***@HALCYON.COM
Subject: hello

Hello, all! My name is Stephanie, and this is my
re-introduction. I was on gymn for a couple of weeks at the beginning of
the summer, but then left for my summer job as a camp counselor and have
only now gotten back to my computer. So here i am-and i'll try to keep
this short!
I am now 18, from seattle, and will be attending the University of
Washington in the fall. I started gymnastics at the age of 12 (an
old-timer, i know) and then competed for my high school. I sort of
plateaued at a USGF level 5/6 and didn't get much further than that; a
combination of a fear of tumbling into back tucks and the lack of a
really good place to train hindered that. But i'm not complaining a bit-i
loved every minute of being out there on the floor! (or beam, or whatever.)
I also coached for about a year and a half, mostly level 4-ish,
although i did coach a small recreational-optional team (about level 6)
as well as being the informal other coach for my high school team. I am
looking to get back into coaching after the summer off, but that might be
on hold for a bit while i settle into university life.
Well, i guess i've taken up enough space already, so i'll just
say i'm looking forward to being back on this list, and if you're from my
area (seattle) or just want to say hi, drop me a line!
Solong!
-stephanie

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 03:10:55 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: hmm (WUG W's AA)

Okay......I gotta know.......How did Julie Ballard do? no mention of her
anywhere?

Please...........she's not back yet and I am dying to know!

Lori

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Date: Sun, 27 Aug 1995 09:00:34 GMT
From: ***@PISKOUN.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject: German Masters (Men) 1995

I think this is the German mens qualification meet for the Sabae Worlds,
saw it on German TV and here are the results in its German version:

Deutsche Meisterschaft (German Masters?) 1995
=============================================

Kunstturnen Manner

DM-Ergebnisse
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1. Valeri Belenki 56.375
2. Andreas Wecker 55.950
3. Sergei Kharkov 55.325
4. Ralf Buchner 55.100
5. Andreas Feigel 54.900
6. Mario Franke 54.550
7. Uwe Billerbeck 54.525

WM-Qualifikation
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1. Valeri Belenki 112.075
2. Andreas Wecker 111.850
3. Uwe Billerbeck 110.225
4. Mario Franke 108.550
5. Karsten Oelsch 108.050
6. Andreas Feigel 107.300
7. Leif Beuth 106.850

[ so what does this mean since Kharkov is in one of the list and not in
the other... probably the latter list is the worlds qualificaton standings ]

Ergebnis
========

Floor
-----
1. Sergei Kharkov 9.250
2. Ronald Mahnke 9.150
3. Andreas Feigel 9.100

Pommel Horse
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1. Valeri Belenki 9.650
2. Leif Beuth 9.450
=3. Andreas Wecker 9.000
=3. Jens Milbradt 9.000

Rings
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1. Valeri Belenki 9.650
=2. Andreas Wecker 9.600
=2. Mario Franke 9.600

Vault
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1. Sergei Kharkov 9.400
2. Uwe Billerbeck 9.225
3. Robert Mai 9.200

Parallel Bars
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1. Sergei Kharkov 9.600
2. Marius Toba 9.400
3. Andreas Wecker 9.300

High Bar
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1. Andreas Wecker 9.600
2. Robert Mai 9.450
3. Adrian Sittner 9.350


Sherwin

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 10:30:21 MET
From: ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

Here are some results from the Alfred Vogel cup held over the
weekend in Deventer The Netherlands.
Unfortunately I haven't got a very detailed result list so this is all I
can provide right now. ( I left early on Sunday and on the Dutch
teletekst you cannot count) Elena Vitrichenko was superior in the
event finals, Serebrianskaya was not competing in event finals due
to injury. Spain was superior in the group competition over the
Ukraine and Belorussia.


All-around
1. Serebrianskaya 39.825
2. Vitrichenko 39.700
3. Gontar/ Batyrshina 39.575
5. Lukyanenko


Event finals
rope
1. Vitrichenko/Gontar/Batyrshina
ball
1. Vitrichenko 10.00
clubs
1. Vitrichenko 10.00
ribbon
1. Vitrichenko


Chantal


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 07:45:00 MDT
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Speaking of U. of Wash...

Michelle Campi will be attending the University of Washington next year. I
believe that she hopes to compete beam and floor...?

Rachele

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:24:01 MET
From: ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Re: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

>Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 08:16:34 CDT
>Subject: Re: Some results - Alfred Vogel cup 1995

>Did you think the scoring was accurate? Were the ladies really up
>to that standard?
I am not sure, I am not really an expert in rhythmic gymnastics.
But I do know that the first score given on Sunday was a 9.95
I thought that was a bit much to set a standard (it was Elena
Vitrichenko though)

Chantal


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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 11:26:04 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TIME article

Has anyone else seen the latest issue of TIME? There is a slightly more
positive story about Nationals, once again mentioning The Book, about how
USAG is staring to take the emphisis off height/weight. I did not see
nationals, but from what I heard NBC could use a lesson in that. Has anyone
else seen the article?
Anne

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:17:07 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: WUG RSG event finals

From Reuters:

World University Games
FUKUOKA, Japan

Rhythmic gymnastics
Apparatus finals

Rope
1. Maria Petrova (Bulgaria) 9.975 points
2. Diana Popova (Bulgaria) 9.850
3. Inessa Gizikova (Russia) 9.775

Ball
1. Petrova 10.000
2. Popova 9.800
3. Gizikova 9.800

Clubs
1. Petrova 10.000
2. Popova 9.900
3. Gizikova 9.850

Ribbon
1. Petrova 10.000
2t. Popova 9.825
2t. Gizikova 9.825

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:25:46 -0700
From: ***@U.WASHINGTON.EDU
Subject: Re: Mitova

Yes Silvia Mitova did do her "Blues" routine at the'91 worlds and she was
also in the event finals. Unfortunately she is not still doing
gymnastics due to a very serious back injury. :(


> Did Silvia Mitova do her Blues routine at the '91 Worlds? Thanks!
> Bye!!!!!
>
> Yours till the kitchen sinks,
> Margi :)
> and
> Mardi ;)
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:29:59 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Nationals

I think Dom D. and Shannon Miller looked a lot more graceful and I think
shannon has improved so much especially on vault. I'm also sick of the over
the hill stuff. If Shannon was 12, they would say she was wonderful but since
she is 18 she is suddenly not so good. instead of having the mushy stories
they could of put so much more coverage on Also, what is the difference
between a takachev and a reverse hect????? Thanks , Kathy
.

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:55:37 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Rhythmic Gymnastics

I created a mail list of people who have written or expressed interest in
Rhythmic Gymnastics when I first subscribed to GYMN, but I haven't kept it
up. My intent was to have an address list I could send an E-mail question
that specifically addressed an RSG issue (like parents going to Classics/JO's
etc) without flooding GYMN. General topics, discussion-related issues meet
results etc., are excellent for the larger GYMN forum. But specific
inquiries about a special interest might be of value too. Does anyone else
agree?

Many INet services charge per E-mail over a certain amount, and for other
reasons, this seemed to make sense. I could see GYMN having value in tracking
specific interests of subscribers who want to volunteer the info and making
it available as a download. Is this a feasible suggestion?

Don

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:10:22 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: TIME article

Perhaps one of the best ways to take the emphasis off of weight and height is
to stop the stupid television networks from playing it on air. There
really is NO reason to tell people this information except to remind people
of the "elfin" image of a gymnast. I don't CARE if someone is 5 feet or
4 feet tall. You can tell they are small or medium or tall by looking at
them standing near an apparatus. They should stop this. After all, are we
constantly reminded of how tall and how much Monica Seles weighs? I think
not.


Jeff


My two cents.

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 14:30:32 -0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: TIME article

I saw the article, and I think it is a good idea not to say this is so
and so, and she is this height and this weight. I was under the
impression that at this year's nationals, since this was eliminated, the
information was not available to reporters, or am I wrong?

On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Anne -- wrote:

> Has anyone else seen the latest issue of TIME? There is a slightly more
> positive story about Nationals, once again mentioning The Book, about how
> USAG is staring to take the emphisis off height/weight. I did not see
> nationals, but from what I heard NBC could use a lesson in that. Has anyone
> else seen the article?
> Anne
>

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 18:45:26 -0400
From: ***@INTERACTIVE.NET
Subject: Re: Nationals

>I think Dom D. and Shannon Miller looked a lot more graceful and I think
>shannon has improved so much especially on vault. I'm also sick of the over
>the hill stuff. If Shannon was 12, they would say she was wonderful but since
>she is 18 she is suddenly not so good. instead of having the mushy stories
>they could of put so much more coverage on Also, what is the difference
>between a takachev and a reverse hect????? Thanks , Kathy


To answer your question a reverse hecht and a takachev are the same. Also in
response to the over the hill comments if Shannon was 12 and made the same
mistakes it would be because she was young and inexperienced, no matter what
people always seem to think that age is a measure of how good a gymnast you
are. Which we all know is false.


Lori

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:00:54 -0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject: Cdn. Women's World Trials (IB)

Hi again,

Got final results today. There were a few changes in the rankings, the most
drastic being Jamie Hill's drop from 7th to 10th.

Again, "these results do not reflect the final team. Last I was told, the top 9
will go to a couple of training camps before Sabae and the final team will
be selected from there."

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1995 CANADIAN WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS SELECTION
CLUB GYMNIX - CENTRE CLAUDE ROBILLARD
MONTREAL, QUEBEC
AUGUST 24-26 1995

WOMEN'S COMPULSORIES & OPTIONALS

RK-NAME (CLUB) VAULT UBARS BBEAM FLOOR TOTAL

1-Jennifer Exaltacion IA 9.559 9.525 9.675 9.425 38.175
(Winstonettes) II 9.450 9.525 9.650 9.675 38.300
TOTAL 19.000 19.050 19.325 19.100 76.475

2-Theresa Wolf IA 9.425 9.700 9.150 9.400 37.675
(Mississauga) II 9.450 9.575 9.400 9.475 37.900
TOTAL 18.875 19.275 18.550 18.875 75.575

3-Lena Degteva IA 9.500 9.675 9.450 9.350 37.975
(Mississauga) II 9.462 9.700 9.500 8.900 37.562
TOTAL 18.962 19.375 18.950 18.250 75.537

4-Yvonne Tousek IA 9.450 9.550 9.300 9.350 37.650
(Cambridge) II 9.362 9.150 9.600 9.600 37.712
TOTAL 18.812 18.700 18.900 18.950 75.362

5-Stephanie Cappuccitti IA 9.250 9.625 9.100 9.400 37.375
(Gemini) II 9.437 9.625 9.200 9.125 37.387
TOTAL 18.687 19.250 18.300 18.525 74.762

5-Marleen Lavoie IA 9.350 9.400 9.600 9.250 37.600
(Ortona) IB 8.625 9.400 9.200 9.375 36.600
TOTAL 17.975 18.800 18.800 18.625 74.200

7-Marilou Cousineau IA 9.400 8.675 9.250 9.275 36.600
(Gymnix) II 9.487 9.075 9.200 9.600 37.362
TOTAL 18.887 17.750 18.450 18.875 73.962

8-Shanyn MacEachern IA 9.500 8.750 8.900 9.250 36.400
(Mississauga) II 9.562 9.600 9.300 8.925 37.387
TOTAL 19.062 18.350 18.200 18.175 73.787

9-Stephanie Hyett IA 9.500 9.400 8.800 8.700 36.400
(WIMGYM) II 9.387 9.550 8.950 9.150 37.037
TOTAL 18.887 18.950 17.750 17.850 73.437

10-Jaime Hill IA 9.400 9.425 9.150 9.375 37.350
(Mississauga) II 9.025 9.575 9.100 8.300 36.000
TOTAL 18.425 19.000 18.250 17.675 73.350

11-Eve-Marie Poulin IA 9.400 8.875 8.500 9.250 36.025
(Winstonettes) II 9.537 8.700 9.225 9.300 36.762
TOTAL 18.937 17.575 17.725 18.550 72.787

12-Tammy Stauffer IA 9.250 9.350 8.650 9.100 36.350
(Winstonettes) II 9.062 9.400 9.000 8.500 35.962
TOTAL 18.312 18.750 17.650 17.600 72.312

13-Jacinthe Emard IA 8.900 9.050 8.750 9.025 35.725
(Gym-Richelieu) II 9.237 9.100 8.900 8.700 35.937
TOTAL 18.137 18.150 17.650 17.725 71.662

14-Katie Rowland IA 9.450 7.400 8.350 9.000 34.200
(Winstonettes) II 8.025 8.000 8.700 8.550 34.275
TOTAL 18.475 15.400 17.050 17.550 68.475
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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:00:48 PDT
From: ***@GEOWORKS.COM
Subject: Re: new, old moves

Rachele writes:
> Or how about a double twisting front, punch back?


I've never seen or heard of a front punch back. The only way I've
seen things continue into a back flip is from back tumbling (i.e back punch
back). I think it would be really hard on your lower back to go from front
tumbling immediately punching backward.

Dave

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 20:48:42 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: new, old moves

Plus, it would be almost impossible to stop your momentum from going foward.
Now a *gainer* somi would be okay, since you would be going in the same
direction (forwards).

Back tumbling suits itself for reversing direction, since your hands are
*above* you and you can easily through them forward to somi. It would be
really awkward to go from arms above you and try to throw them back and
your hips while your chest is still going forward. Violates inertia rule.


BTW: I have seen mani barani punch backs, so it really depends on where
your hips are going.


Jeff

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Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 22:09:13 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: height and weight

I agree with Jeff and others about height and weight. What is the point of
saying it, and do you hear it in other sports? Imagine if you are a young
girl and your height and weight is being broadcast on national television!
That in itself is a tremendous pressure to be smaller and lighter.

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